F**K everyone that voted for ocare

[buckshotbarlow]

ding ding ding...this is me 2! F%$KERS

I just went through mine getting SHITTY in May.. premiums went up to stupid amounts. Deductible went high.. oh why's that.. because I work with more women, and a bunch of old people... FUCK YOU O-care!

[Jer]

And yet still nothing to address the actual COST of healthcare which is the real problem.

[Ronin13]

I had contemplated buying my own health insurance, because the VA has that "we chose for you" deal (I'd like to see the doctor I've seen since I was 10, and have a choice when I need to get my shoulder operated on) but now with my mom's healthcare premium going way out of control, and hearing you guys talk about the outrageous increases, I guess I'll just have to hope that the VA chooses wisely for me...

[Adawg38]

The plan I am on went up $23 a month and the step up plan went down $12 so if I stayed on the shit plan I'd actually be paying more. Funny to cause it's an HIA and we get $1000 incentive which can roll over into next year but they always say we may not have this plan next year so WTF?

[nynco]

Obamacare has a lot of issues. The biggest being that he did not address the root causes but instead just fed more red meat to the insurance cartels. Obama should have gone back to the pre Reagan model where all insurance was non profit based. Sorry but no company should make a profit by killing people. When a company's whole business model is based on a system where they make more money by denying people life saving care, then it is immoral. They have a profit motive to deny people life saving care and thus killing them. For the last 30 plus years these same companies have had a virtual monopoly/cartel system that has done just that. Hopefully these exchanges will fix that. But the legislation has a lot of problems. Hopefully people will fix that. But I am not holding my breath because Washington is controlled by those who profit from killing our fellow Americans.

[Aloha_Shooter]

nynco, you really think Reagan is the anti-Christ, don't you? Just what do you think changed in insurance models during Reagan's administration? Insurance companies have ALWAYS made profits by striking a balance between attracting customers willing to pay premiums and what they had to pay out in claims. ALWAYS. Insurance companies have disputed some claims almost as long. Guess what? So does the federal government.

Obamacare has more than "a lot of issues" -- it's an unworkable, anticapitalist mess designed to fail so Obama or Hillary can come in and institute universal healthcare coverage after claiming facetiously that the private market failed.

[Pancho Villa]

Healthcare is up because we all pay for people who don't pay.

Before you shout 'illegals!' there's a lot more poor people without healthcare than there are illegals. We already have universal healthcare and wealth redistribution - the hospitals jack up prices because a large % of patients just do not pay their bills.

Bring back for-profit healthcare and let hospitals treat the poor at their discretion and as tax writeoffs / charity rather than by right, like you could/did in the 50s and 60s. You didn't have millions of poor people dying then and you won't today. And you'll see healthcare costs plummit by a ridiculous % overnight.

Edit: regulation is another huge hurdle. My friend is an anesthesiology resident back east, and a shitty flip-phone that would have been state of the art in 1998 costs the hospital $750 because it's "medically certified" and everything they use has to be. The certification is a huge racket and needs to be done away with - hospitals aren't just going to buy shitty drugs and poison us, because they would, uh, go out of business. The same reason restaurants wouldn't just serve rat poison to everyone because "it's cheaper than real soup."

[nynco]

Prior to Reagan it was illegal to have a for profit medical insurance company. They were non profits like Blue Cross Blue Shield. I don't want capitalism to make a profit by killing people. So to me, I don't give a rats ass if it is anti capitalist. No business model should exists that makes it legal to kill fellow Americans for any reason esp to make money.

You do know that Obamacare is to the right of what Nixon proposed back in the 1970s right?

I think one thing that could go a long way to fixing stuff is to make a public option. Then if you want to be at the mercy of the insurance cartels go for it. Those who don't have the freedom to chose another path.

[nynco]

The same reason restaurants wouldn't just serve rat poison to everyone because "it's cheaper than real soup."

Do you know any of the history in the US? Do you know who Uptin Sinclair is or have you heard about a book called the Jungle. We had that over 100 years ago. It failed miserably. Why do you want to repeat the mistakes of the past?

[Pancho Villa]

The same reason restaurants wouldn't just serve rat poison to everyone because "it's cheaper than real soup."

Do you know any of the history in the US? Do you know who Uptin Sinclair is or have you heard about a book called the Jungle. We had that over 100 years ago. It failed miserably. Why do you want to repeat the mistakes of the past?

Hate to break it to you friend, but Uptain Sinclair was a card-carrying socialist with an axe to grind, and none of that accurately reflected what was going on at the time.

Length of life, quality of living, and population sizes all exploded during the gilded age - an unprecedented event in human history. So, socialists can suck it. If you want to complain about the conditions of the factories, realize that these were huge steps above subsistence farming and got better and better every year.