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SO you know people in the healthcare industry in China?
Have you utilized Chinas healthcare system?
Another interesting tidbit for you-
In China, the number one criticism of the government by the citizenry is corruption, and the leaders have taken it to heart and there is a huge effort at reform. Currently, OUR GOVERNMENT is at least as, and possibly more, corrupt than China.
No but that is what is happening with many other things. That is what happened in Russia when the sold off all the public industry. It created oligarchy over night.
China is not Russia, and never will be. Two ENTIRELY different value sytems and outlooks. The Chinese plan so far ahead they have built entire cities that no one lives in because they anticipate the movement of farmers into urban areas over the next 50 to 100 years.Compare that to Obama, who cannot see past next week.
The biggest mistake we, as Americans make, is imposing our values and outlooks onto people who we have no knowledge of. Better to just STFU and not say anything.
Ok I just thought of something and for some of you, this is going to make your head explode...
So conservatives are all for states rights? Correct?
So lets objectively look at what Obamacare did. Obamacare just forced the states to create state level healthcare exchanges. This was not a federal take over one bit. It was a mandate for states to address an issue that they had been derelict in their duties to enforce. Now you can argue that you don't want it at all. But it is not a federal take over akin to socialism.
I myself don't like it because I don't think mandates are a good thing. I question the constitutionality of such things. I myself would have made the age for medicare zero. Then if you want to buy any health insurance after that base level, then you could go to a regulated market exchange of nonprofit insurance solutions.
So in the end Obama just did a traditional Republican thing... like the Cato Institute talked about in the 90s. Which Obamacare is nothing more than Nixoncare relabeled and to the right of Nixons proposal.
Trying to claim that Obamacare is a Republican idea does not change that Obamacare has been a failure and will only get worse. Its a deficit nightmare, its actually failed to slow the rate of health care insurance premium increases and may be accelerating them. And its failed to achieve even a fraction of the expanded coverage of individuals promised.
Utter failure.
That's why at least a plurality of the country wants it repealed.
Sayonara
Nonsense really, listeria outbreaks in turkey began in the Clinton administration with the Cargill plant in May 2000.Originally Posted by nynco
And cuts to foreign food inspection? Obama administration:
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...ams/?mobile=nc
Sayonara
Cuts in inspectors have been happening by both Dem and R. Mainly because our gov is owned by big business. But Bush did cut the inspectors. I also think that we should be inspecting foreign food even more than our own.
Also how is Obamacare a failure. It has not even come into play and you are acting like it is 10 years past. We shall see.
As to the plurality, if someone polled me, I would say I want it repealed too. But I would replace it with a simple 1 paragraph bill
The age for medicare is now zero. All insurance related to healthcare is to be non profit based.
Done
I'm gonna put my lw flame suit on here...(no ocare vote here, yes- VERY directly effected, and perhaps a slight derail- but should fan similar flames?)...but something eerily missing from what I see above, is a couple basal questions:
As a society, why do we fight so doggedly trying to decide which way is better for OTHERS to tend to the unsightly problem of the less fortunate/sick, versus relying on the individuals' then deeper pockets and human compassion to effectively operate? There is such a blurred (lobbied) line between a poor/sick persons' "right" to health care/life, and an ethical responsibility to fund a perceived medical salvation for a very financial/political reason. Social engineering is easy. No one wants to touch the leper, and everyone wants the free checkup and a happy promise.
Why the complacency with health care being DIRECTLY tied to our employment? Isn't being excited about a "good health care plan" putting the shackles on ourselves? I would guarantee we could see a semblance of free market pricing mysteriously re-appear in health care if that single tie was broken. And I would not so humbly suggest the only losers in that game would be the gov't, and the poorly led insurers. I would wager strongly that the astute insurers would package a product range and be back in business for that environment immediately.
and to the OP and others of us taking it in the wallet-
Why do we do that... because relying on charity does not work. Historically proven to not be enough. I don't care about theories here in the real world, there would be no need for this or people crying our for if charity did work. But it does not so for the last 50 plus years that charity could have stepped up to fix it, people fought to have their gov that is supposed to reflect the will of the people to step in and fill the gap.
I also agree that healthcare should not be tied to a job at all. It creates a slave system that is anti free market. But big business like that part. Nothing better than a worker who is trapped. The can and do exploit those people a lot.
This folderol spouted by nynco has been good for me. I suddenly realized that even die-hard Marxists can be fans of shooting.
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