F**K everyone that voted for ocare

[nynco]

1. If you believe so much in socialized government-provided medicine, serve a few tours in the military. It took me three years and four orthopedic surgeons to get my torn rotator cuff repaired. My "sprained" ankle from 20+ years never was fully healed.

2. There was only one Great Depression despite what the left-wing propaganda spews. The Great Recession of 2008 was created by government intrusion in the marketplace, specifically the Community Reinvestment Act and aggressive enforcement of it under the Clinton administration spurred by Barney Frank and Chris Dodd. This recession was NOT the worst since the Great Depression in 2008 as it was then exceeded by the Carter Recession of 1979-1982 (unemployment + interest rates) until this recession was exacerbated and prolonged by Obama's policies. It doesn't much matter whether we are in a double-dip or triple-dip recession (if you believe economists claiming an imperceptible recovery in 2010) or still in one long one.

Please cite where non-emergency federal expenditures on healthcare, education, housing, etc. are authorized under the Constitution (and don't give me any weak sauce about the "general welfare" clause either as "promote the general welfare" is in the preamble, not in any article of authorization or amendment).

History has shown repeatedly that these Stalinist-Maoist government-centric systems never work out economically in the long run. The British NHS was virtually bankrupt and pushing British doctors to come to America before free market reforms were put in place. European governments are still trying to figure out how to have their cake and eat it too. Oil in the North Sea is the one main reason Norway has been able to maintain its current socialized healthcare system. Try it without the deus ex machina of a huge natural resource influx or sudden industry boom like the Internet in the early/mid-1990s.

The uneducated were scammed by Obama's "free stuff" promises, the unapologetic liberals didn't care about the truth or economic realities ... and of course there're people in both categories like at least one troll in this forum. I said before the election that there were three reasons for voting for Obama in 2012: 1) you were asleep for the last 3.5 years, 2) you're an unapologetic die-hard Marxist or 3) you're dumber than a box of Rice Krispies (well, I said something more politically incorrect and offensive than this but with the same intent). I stand by that statement.

I will address by your number system.
1. Soft tissue joint injuries are impossible to fix. You think you would have gotten a better result in the private sector? Where you had to PAY? Ha ha ha... Be realistic about your recovery. I tell everyone that is younger, once you pop it, thats it, it will keep on popping. Esp shoulders. Once your shoulder starts to dislocate it will only get worse. Start working out and pray your muscles can make up for your soft tissue damage. So don't blame the VA for that.

2. You got to be kidding me if you think the melt down was caused by gov intrusion. It happened because we deregulated the banks. We took off Glass Steigel and the banks went looking for suckers. Had we kept the reforms of Roosevelt which the GOP were creaming their pants to deregulate. NONE of that would have been permitted to happen. The Great Recession would have been worse had we not spent our way out of it to reboot the collapse. Even then, it was not enough. But it helped. Carter... you really want to bring that up. Well Carter did better than BUSH. News flash we will be in bad economic times till we start to fix the mess that started with Reagan.

Sub part about non emergency healthcare what ever. So what did Obama care do? It FORCED the states to create a healthcare exchange and then subsidizes those who can't afford it. That is the CONSERVATIVE MODEL for healthcare reform that you guys put forward for the last 50 years. Obama is a moderate republican in action, you would know that if you studied history and stopped listening to the right wing garbage called news.

Don't bring up Britain. That well was poisoned by Thatcher. Look at Germany, Norway, Denmark. Fuck Britain

The uneducated were scammed by Obamas free stuff. Well what free stuff was that. I would say the only people that were scammed are the ones who watch Faux news everyday.

I am not a marxist you NAZI... see nazi is a vile thing to say. So don't go around calling me something I am not. Got it?

[spqrzilla]

Even when the Dems inherent the pile of crap the conservatives leave, they still do better. Just goes to show you. You hand the conservatives a working economy and in no time they tank it. Hand the "liberals" (really moderate conservatives in the Democrap party) the pile of crap and they fix it.

Utter horse manure. Obama currently has produced more months with 8% unemployment or higher than all the post war Presidents combined.

nynco, it is astonishing how much you make up crap that's just the farthest from reality one can get.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

^^^ that's cute. I will be the bad guy redneck backwards hill billy and state the honest truth. The ONLY fucking reason he was re-elected is because he's black. The polls don't lie. Please don't call Obama something he won't even call himself. That my friend makes you look ignorant. When was the last time you rolled through the ghetto and entered the homes there? Shit isn't getting better with Obama, it is getting worse. But I reckon that's Bush's fault. Yes I just said reckon.

[spqrzilla]

nynco continues to make up stuff:

You got to be kidding me if you think the melt down was caused by gov intrusion. It happened because we deregulated the banks. We took off Glass Steigel and the banks went looking for suckers. Had we kept the reforms of Roosevelt which the GOP were creaming their pants to deregulate. NONE of that would have been permitted to happen.

Clinton signed the bipartisan repeal of Glass Steagall in the Gramm Leach Bliley act. It was pushed by his Treasurer secretary - Robert Rubin- who was the mentor of Obama's treasury secretary Tim "Turbo Tax" Geitner.

Your ignorance is matched only by your willingness to fabricate nonsense.

[nynco]

More of your brazen lies, nynco. Or ignorance, its hard to tell which because of your incompetence. There was no "massive" tax cut for the wealthy in either case. The Bush era tax rates reduced taxation for all taxpayers. If that wasn't so, why is it that the Democrats don't want to just see it entirely expire at the end of the year?

And there was no deregulation by the G.W. Bush administration. The idea that G.W. Bush was laissez faire is outright ridiculous. For your information, the Federal Register didn't cease publication from 2001 to 2009. Democrats often falsely blame the repeal of Glass-Steagal for the financial crisis, but that was pushed by the Clinton administration.

You just keep making stuff up. Dishonest or utterly uninformed, its become a bore to try to figure out.

You think Glass Stegal was pushed by Clintoon. Do you know who authorized its repeal or who was in charge of both the House and the Senate at the time. Obviously not... Start with this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm%E...0%93Bliley_Act
Yeah somehow a bill created by 3 conservatives ... means it was Clintoons fault. Another example of how the conservative media lied to you.

Bush deregulation. Well... Bush mainly did that by appointing people that were formerly being overseen by the Gov to be in charge. So what did they do? Stop enforcing the law and then cut back on all the inspectors so no one could anyways. Kinda like the fox guarding the hen house. http://www.governmentisgood.com/articles.php?aid=15

[spqrzilla]

Still making up stuff, I see.

Wikipedia is a joke but since you think it means something, from Rubin's bio on Wikipedia

Rubin and his deputy Lawrence Summers also steered through the 1999 repeal of the Glass–Steagall Act (1933), which had separated investment banking from the retail side. It allowed the banks to develop and sell the mortgage-backed instruments that became a principal factor in the financial collapse.

At this stage, its become obvious that your dishonesty is intentional. I through with correcting your fabrications.

[nynco]

^^^ that's cute. I will be the bad guy redneck backwards hill billy and state the honest truth. The ONLY fucking reason he was re-elected is because he's black. The polls don't lie. Please don't call Obama something he won't even call himself. That my friend makes you look ignorant. When was the last time you rolled through the ghetto and entered the homes there? Shit isn't getting better with Obama, it is getting worse. But I reckon that's Bush's fault. Yes I just said reckon.

And it will get even worse. Because Obama is too much of a whimp to fix it. We have systemic problems that were created over the last 30+ years. No amount of dabling around the edges like Obama is doing will fix that. It will just re-inflate the bubble and set us up for the next crash. The only way to fix this mess is to end the insanity of basing our economy off consumer spending (the "service economy") and go back to being a manufacturing powerhouse. Reagan was the turning point for that. We went from being the largest creditor nation before him to the largest debtor nation after. Time to go back to what Alexander Hamilton left in place until Reagan and Clintoon started to dismantle it with NAFTA, GATT, and China Free Trade. Time to put America first and not Wallstreet. We need to go back to a tariff system and build America back. We can still trade and we will. But not like the insane system we have now.

[Great-Kazoo]

You think Glass Stegal was pushed by Clintoon. Do you know who authorized its repeal or who was in charge of both the House and the Senate at the time. Obviously not... Start with this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm%E...0%93Bliley_Act
Yeah somehow a bill created by 3 conservatives ... means it was Clintoons fault. Another example of how the conservative media lied to you.

Bush deregulation. Well... Bush mainly did that by appointing people that were formerly being overseen by the Gov to be in charge. So what did they do? Stop enforcing the law and then cut back on all the inspectors so no one could anyways. Kinda like the fox guarding the hen house. http://www.governmentisgood.com/articles.php?aid=15

You didn't learn your lesson with the I voted for O post. ??
Both parties share in the blame. 1 too eager to pass and 1 too lazy to read it. Once again IF Congress was held to the same standards regarding health care, taxes and benefit packages, not one bill would ever see the light of day.

[nynco]

Still making up stuff, I see.

Wikipedia is a joke but since you think it means something, from Rubin's bio on Wikipedia

At this stage, its become obvious that your dishonesty is intentional. I through with correcting your fabrications.

Notice how I always say Clintoon.... why? Because Clinton was a Republican with a D after his name. He was the best Republican president in modern times. But even then, you still think that an bill AUTHORIZED BY ALL CONSERVATIVES was somehow a liberal plot. Dear lord... talk about disillusion or dishonest. Which is it?

[nynco]

You didn't learn your lesson with the I voted for O post. ??
Both parties share in the blame. 1 too eager to pass and 1 too lazy to read it. Once again IF Congress was held to the same standards regarding health care, taxes and benefit packages, not one bill would ever see the light of day.

I 100000000% agree both parties share the blame. But part of the root of that stems back to the conservative mime that Money is free speech (Buckley vs Valeo) and that corporations have the same rights as people to buy or politicians political reelection. So both parties are to blame for it. But how we fix it is to end those things.