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    I don't think you guys remember how bad the firearms supply chain was in 2008/2009. I remember background check waits of hours, if not days, for a few months after the election. And that was IF you could find the gun you wanted.

    Ammo sold out everywhere and supplies didn't stabilize truly for a couple years. Don't you remember we had daily updates in the Buyers Intel section just to tell each other if we saw some 9mm or 223 in stock somewhere?

    When the ammo started selling out, then reloading supplies started selling out. You couldn't find primers or powder locally for a year. Even online supplies were limited.

    Thankfully, I think the manufacturing capacity has been increased dramatically thanks to the major increase in $$ firearms manufactures have seen in the last 4 years. However, I do expect some panic buying to set in again.

    Last time I thought it was silly and it pissed me off people were buying cases of primers as an investment. This time it may be justified.

    Will we see another AWB? Yes, but not an outright ban. I think it will involve more taxes, licenses, more invasive background checks, medical records checks, no private party transfers, etc, etc. They will just make it awfully hard/expensive to be firearms owners. Then they can say "Hey, we didn't ban anything! You can still own them, but we just want to make sure you're SAFE."

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollohas View Post
    I don't think you guys remember how bad the firearms supply chain was in 2008/2009. I remember background check waits of hours, if not days, for a few months after the election. And that was IF you could find the gun you wanted.

    Ammo sold out everywhere and supplies didn't stabilize truly for a couple years. Don't you remember we had daily updates in the Buyers Intel section just to tell each other if we saw some 9mm or 223 in stock somewhere?

    When the ammo started selling out, then reloading supplies started selling out. You couldn't find primers or powder locally for a year. Even online supplies were limited.

    Thankfully, I think the manufacturing capacity has been increased dramatically thanks to the major increase in $$ firearms manufactures have seen in the last 4 years. However, I do expect some panic buying to set in again.

    Last time I thought it was silly and it pissed me off people were buying cases of primers as an investment. This time it may be justified.

    Will we see another AWB? Yes, but not an outright ban. I think it will involve more taxes, licenses, more invasive background checks, medical records checks, no private party transfers, etc, etc. They will just make it awfully hard/expensive to be firearms owners. Then they can say "Hey, we didn't ban anything! You can still own them, but we just want to make sure you're SAFE."
    Shhh. Everyone's memory is too short for that.

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    For grins and giggles I looked up pmags on Midway to see if the price went up. It didn't however, they have a limit of 5 per customer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollohas View Post
    I don't think you guys remember how bad the firearms supply chain was in 2008/2009. I remember background check waits of hours, if not days, for a few months after the election. And that was IF you could find the gun you wanted.

    Ammo sold out everywhere and supplies didn't stabilize truly for a couple years. Don't you remember we had daily updates in the Buyers Intel section just to tell each other if we saw some 9mm or 223 in stock somewhere?

    When the ammo started selling out, then reloading supplies started selling out. You couldn't find primers or powder locally for a year. Even online supplies were limited.

    Thankfully, I think the manufacturing capacity has been increased dramatically thanks to the major increase in $$ firearms manufactures have seen in the last 4 years. However, I do expect some panic buying to set in again.

    Last time I thought it was silly and it pissed me off people were buying cases of primers as an investment. This time it may be justified.

    Will we see another AWB? Yes, but not an outright ban. I think it will involve more taxes, licenses, more invasive background checks, medical records checks, no private party transfers, etc, etc. They will just make it awfully hard/expensive to be firearms owners. Then they can say "Hey, we didn't ban anything! You can still own them, but we just want to make sure you're SAFE."
    Spot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soldier-of-the-apocalypse View Post
    I think everything is going to sky rocket, gas, food, electricity, ect ect ect. We're fucked
    Quote Originally Posted by ray1970 View Post
    Yep. Cost of everything will go up. I fully expect gasoline to top $5 a gallon by middle of next summer. You can also expect to pay more in taxes over the net several years too. Unemployment rates will hit a new all-time high as well.

    Maybe I'm wrong. But I doubt it.
    Put me on the record as saying it now: You are partly wrong. Costs are not going up. If anything, they are going down. Here's the kicker: The US Dollar's value is plummeting - and it needs to. Several economists have proposed that the only way the United States could pay off the federal debt is to devalue the dollar until we have printed enough money to pay off our debt.

    Quote Originally Posted by hollohas View Post
    Thankfully, I think the manufacturing capacity has been increased dramatically thanks to the major increase in $$ firearms manufactures have seen in the last 4 years. However, I do expect some panic buying to set in again.
    I think you're right about this: the manufacturing base and supply chains are much more fortified than they were 4 years ago. Production of AR-15 parts and accessories is easily 5x more than it was in 2008. Look at the number of Pmags available now and how the prices have dropped over the past year. Windowed PMags used to be $20 each, now you can find them for as low as $12 each. Palmetto State Armory has been growing explosively and most companies have been able to keep most things in stock lately.

    Quote Originally Posted by hollohas View Post
    Will we see another AWB? Yes, but not an outright ban. I think it will involve more taxes, licenses, more invasive background checks, medical records checks, no private party transfers, etc, etc. They will just make it awfully hard/expensive to be firearms owners. Then they can say "Hey, we didn't ban anything! You can still own them, but we just want to make sure you're SAFE."
    I also think you hit the nail right on the head with this one. In Chicago last year, the only thing that prevented a local $.05/rd tax was the fact that some ammo (such as .22LR) costs less than $.05/rd to begin with. This was the first attempt of many, and this threat will not be going away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoneyBadger View Post
    I also think you hit the nail right on the head with this one. In Chicago last year, the only thing that prevented a local $.05/rd tax was the fact that some ammo (such as .22LR) costs less than $.05/rd to begin with. This was the first attempt of many, and this threat will not be going away.
    ^This. I'm sure there will be many more of these "let's test the waters" cases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sellersm View Post
    ^This. I'm sure there will be many more of these "let's test the waters" cases.
    It's like the Raptors in Jurassic Park. Just keep probing the defenses to find a weak point. Once they find it, all hell will break loose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sellersm View Post
    ^This. I'm sure there will be many more of these "let's test the waters" cases.
    With 1 potential SC judge nominee, testing the waters might be met with open arms.
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