BATFE Form 4473 vs. CO Amendment 64

[james_bond_007]

...Very clear cut.

While I agree with you that it SHOULD be clear cut, AND that when considering it from a legal (fed vs. state form) perspective it IS pretty clear, I'll ask:

Is everyone that buys or sells guns a "lawyer" or "sufficiently familiar" with the laws and differences in state law vs. federal law (the question is ARE they familiar, not SHOULD THEY BE familiar)?

I don't think so...and that is where I think some confusion and perhaps confrontation will occur.

EX: Even our good friend at Gunsmoke, an FFL, had trouble interpreting the definition of "buyer" on form 4473. (Is it one that is in the PROCESS of buying or is it one that has ALREADY BOUGHT...)

[Great-Kazoo]

"I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees."

While i am sympathetic to the Motto. I highly doubt anyone will be staying awake 24/7. Most raids do not happen while you are bright eyed & bushy tailed. They happen between 2-5am, when you're snug in bed wearing your grranimals 1pc pj's.

[mahkcod]

Very interesting question, but let me add a different flavor to the discussion. If we can ignore federal law and create our own at the state level that trump the federal law does that mean we could start a petition to ignore the federal fire arm laws/bans and create our own at the state level? Just putting it out there and would like to see what everyone thought.

[BPTactical]

Very interesting question, but let me add a different flavor to the discussion. If we can ignore federal law and create our own at the state level that trump the federal law does that mean we could start a petition to ignore the federal fire arm laws/bans and create our own at the state level? Just putting it out there and would like to see what everyone thought.

Similar has been tried by manufacturers in Tennessee and Montana. Both claimed firearms manufactured and sold/kept instate are exempt from Federal regs.
BATFE raided said manufacturers very shortly thereafter and shut down same.

[Irving]

Don't have time to read the whole thread, but the Federal form is asking questions about purchasing a firearm, specifically from a FFL dealer. It does not address the legality of ownership, or possession.

Similarly, you can not legally get married if you are drunk or otherwise intoxicated because that is in direct violation of one of the four parts of a legal contract. That does not mean that you can not engage in the act of being married while drunk or otherwise intoxicated. Two separate issues. You don't have to chose one or the other.

Stating that you are not an unauthorized user of illegal drugs at the time of purchase, is not a declaration that you haven't been a user in the past, nor will be in the future.

[james_bond_007]

... Hair sampling is the new norm, ...

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_te...r_drug_testing

"Hair drug testing is a method that can detect drug use over a much longer period of time, and is often used for highly safety-critical positions where there is zero tolerance of illegal drug use. Standard hair follicle screen covers a period of 30 to 90 days. The growth of hair is usually at the rate of 0.5 inches per month. The hair sample is cut close to the scalp and 80 to 120 strands of hair are needed for the test. In the absence of hair on the head, body hair can be used as an acceptable substitute.Even if the person being tested has a shaved head, hair can also be taken from almost any other area of the body. This includes facial hair, the underarms, arms, and legs or even pubic hair. Because body hair grows at a different rate than head hair, the timeframe changes, with scientists estimating that drug use can be detected in body hair for up to 12 months. "

[Irving]

Edit: Raise your hand if you've ever had a hair sample drug test. Hair sample testing is NOT the norm. I don't even know of anyone whom has had their hair tested; yet I've been warned about it since I was a kid in the 80's.

[spqrzilla]

I had a hair sample drug test for a Federal job application once. About a decade ago I think.

[Busta Prima]

You're overthinking it, mark NO and move to the next question.

+1

[Ah Pook]

Simple answer, do away with form 4473.

I'd be more concerned with an alcoholic neighbor (legal), then a pothead neighbor (illegal).