BATFE Form 4473 vs. CO Amendment 64

[Stinky]

Tis agin duh law to sell to a "Prohibited Person." The 4473 makes the dealer ask the question. The reason they have to ask the question is so that they will know who the "Prohibited Persons" are.

If you knowingly sale to a "Prohibited Person" and the ATF can prove it, you are screwed, 4473 or no 4473 (and maybe even if they can't prove knowingly, as I don't think that is in the law).

They have a history of Agents posing as a "Prohibited Person." Tis not entrapment, if they don't ask you to do it....IOW, if you have a gun for sale, and they show up and buy it.

[Irving]

Every job I've had since the age of 18 has required urine and/or blood tests as part of pre-employment and periodic tests throughout the employment. They are the norm for many jobs.

Me too, but those aren't hair tests.

Tis agin duh law to sell to a "Prohibited Person." The 4473 makes the dealer ask the question. The reason they have to ask the question is so that they will know who the "Prohibited Persons" are.

If you knowingly sale to a "Prohibited Person" and the ATF can prove it, you are screwed, 4473 or no 4473 (and maybe even if they can't prove knowingly, as I don't think that is in the law).

They have a history of Agents posing as a "Prohibited Person." Tis not entrapment, if they don't ask you to do it....IOW, if you have a gun for sale, and they show up and buy it.

Being a drug user, or alcohol drinker, does not make you a prohibited person, yet both appear on the 4473. You have to be at least 21 to purchase a pistol from an FFL. Does that mean an 18, 19, or 20 year-old is a prohibited person when it comes to buying a pistol from a private party?

[275RLTW]

Certain types of "government clearance" positions require it.
As well as full financial disclosures, background investigations of family and in-laws, friends and acquaintances for many years, etc.

It is NOT just something you see in the movies.

...enough said.

No, they draw blood, even for a simple MRPT clearances. Hair testing is not accureate and easily refuted in court. Please do not use wikipedia as a source as most of it is made up.

[trlcavscout]

Edit: Raise your hand if you've ever had a hair sample drug test. Hair sample testing is NOT the norm. I don't even know of anyone whom has had their hair tested; yet I've been warned about it since I was a kid in the 80's.

I have only had it done once in CO, every job I had in Las Vegas required it.

[james_bond_007]

No, they draw blood, even for a simple MRPT clearances. Hair testing is not accureate and easily refuted in court. Please do not use wikipedia as a source as most of it is made up.

Personal experience...Wikipedia not involved.

Blood and urine were also taken in conjunction with hair, at least in my case.
I don't know exactly what they did with the samples, but all were collected.

[james_bond_007]

Not enough said. Certain jobs with the government that require a clearance have very strict requirements. What about every other job in the US? A hair test is NOT the norm.

No argument about other jobs or most jobs only using urine or blood.

The "enough said" was not directed at you or your comments.
Perhaps I should have written "I've probably said too much already."

I only had ONE job where they took things extremely serious and required the things I mentioned.

My apology if it came out wrong ...

[Ronin13]

Every job I've had since the age of 18 has required urine and/or blood tests as part of pre-employment and periodic tests throughout the employment. They are the norm for many jobs.

I've had near routine urinalysis tests while in the process and while holding my TS-SCI security clearance with the Army. We also had unit mandated UAs, as well as Brigade S2 mandated UAs for clearance holders. Never had a single hair or blood test.

[two shoes]

Similar has been tried by manufacturers in Tennessee and Montana. Both claimed firearms manufactured and sold/kept instate are exempt from Federal regs.
BATFE raided said manufacturers very shortly thereafter and shut down same.

Don't the Federalies have to have the local Sheriff's permission to do anything like this? Isn't the Sheriff the last line of defense for the Constitution?

[OneGuy67]

Don't the Federalies have to have the local Sheriff's permission to do anything like this? Isn't the Sheriff the last line of defense for the Constitution?

The feds don't need the sheriff's permission to do anything in their county. Hell, most of the time, the feds don't even notify the sheriff of any investigation, action, or arrest in their county.

[spqrzilla]

Don't the Federalies have to have the local Sheriff's permission to do anything like this? Isn't the Sheriff the last line of defense for the Constitution?

Uh, no.