Single Party Control of CO State Gov't

[Ronin13]

Maybe we can convince Wyoming, Montana, and the Dakotas to start a sepratist movement...

I started drafting a proposal last night (I can share here when finished and get your guys' input) that would lead to abolishing Federal control of MT, WY, SD, ND, OK, KS, and TX and lead to the creation of a new nation based upon the core principals outlined in the first and second continental congress, the constitution, bill of rights, and the founding fathers.

[Monky]

I started drafting a proposal last night (I can share here when finished and get your guys' input) that would lead to abolishing Federal control of MT, WY, SD, ND, OK, KS, and TX and lead to the creation of a new nation based upon the core principals outlined in the first and second continental congress, the constitution, bill of rights, and the founding fathers.

Yep.. you're going to pass a psych eval just fine there Mr. Kaczynski

I already have heard the talk from several dems in the house that I have the 'pleasure' of being around.. about 'now is the time to get this shit passed'..

[Ronin13]

Yep.. you're going to pass a psych eval just fine there Mr. Kaczynski

I already have heard the talk from several dems in the house that I have the 'pleasure' of being around.. about 'now is the time to get this shit passed'..

Non-Violent. We're not talking the overthrow of the government or anything, just like that thread from months back (New Republic of Texas or something), peaceful secession and a formation of a real "more perfect union."

[ChunkyMonkey]

This thread fails. That is all.

[Zundfolge]

Non-Violent. We're not talking the overthrow of the government or anything, just like that thread from months back (New Republic of Texas or something), peaceful secession and a formation of a real "more perfect union."

See the 1860s.

[Ronin13]

See the 1860s.

That's what we should try to avoid. Secede without attacking anyone, and try to reach a common ground: "We believe in this, you believe in that, much like many divorces there are irreconcilable differences, so instead of going to war with ourselves we just peacefully part ways... here are our terms and conditions."

[Aloha_Shooter]

That's what we should try to avoid. Secede without attacking anyone, and try to reach a common ground: "We believe in this, you believe in that, much like many divorces there are irreconcilable differences, so instead of going to war with ourselves we just peacefully part ways... here are our terms and conditions."

Doesn't work. As Zundfolge was alluding to, the Civil War successfully established the paradigm that secession is not an option for any state in the Union. Ulysses Grant wrote in his memoirs that even if you accepted a right of secession for one of the original 13 colonies, it doesn't hold for any state admitted after them because the new states were established by the Union itself. (He wrote it better than this but I read it about 7 years ago and can't remember the exact wording.) Besides, the Stalinist model of the liberals won't allow for any freedom to depart -- they won't rest until they have globalized their soak-the-rich, endorse-homosexual/bisexual/quadrisexual-marriage/unions/relationships, anti-gun, anti-religious culture. In their world, anything that smacks of traditional values or individual freedom (except those freedoms they deem acceptable) is to be stamped out whereever it exists.

[Circuits]

the Civil War successfully established the paradigm that secession is not an option for any state in the Union. Ulysses Grant wrote in his memoirs that even if you accepted a right of secession for one of the original 13 colonies, it doesn't hold for any state admitted after them because the new states were established by the Union itself.

It establishes that dissolution, much like accession, is not unilateral - that if a state wishes to leave, the majority of the rest must agree to let it go.

It does not say that there can be no devolution under the law, just that devolution, after accession, cannot be unilateral.

The only alternative would be the natural alternative of successful revolution and resistance.