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    Ha, why follow the laws they pass anyways?
    Make all the laws they can pass all day long. Dont have to follow them.
    You see what it was like to be a law abiding citizen, doing your best to make this country great.........you see where that got us.
    Mediocrity at best is now acceptable. Just play the victim and expect everyone else to to do the work.
    Laws.....ha ha ha now thats funny!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Storm View Post
    I'm not sure what you're saying here. Would you please expound on this. Thanks.
    Remember when they filibustered earlier this year in order to avoid voting on Civil Unions and several other bills? It was despicable and they their majority over it. Now they've got exactly the opposite of what they wanted, with no way to defend against the outcome. The Republicans acted like trash, got treated like trash and thrown to the curb, and now they get to watch from the sidelines (curb) because of their actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hatidua View Post
    And that will negatively affect you how exactly?
    Don't get your panties in a wad. The thread is about what is going to happen since both houses are now in democrat control. And frankly, it would be a long discussion on how this would affect me that I don't feel like having here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TEAMRICO View Post
    Ha, why follow the laws they pass anyways?
    Make all the laws they can pass all day long. Dont have to follow them.
    Some of us have little or no choice. I could quit working so I didn't have any legal or ethical issues with civil disobedience like you suggest but many people have dependents or need their job to cover expenses and many of the jobs in this town take a dim view of felonies or even serious misdemeanors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin13 View Post
    That's what we should try to avoid. Secede without attacking anyone, and try to reach a common ground: "We believe in this, you believe in that, much like many divorces there are irreconcilable differences, so instead of going to war with ourselves we just peacefully part ways... here are our terms and conditions."
    Doesn't work. As Zundfolge was alluding to, the Civil War successfully established the paradigm that secession is not an option for any state in the Union. Ulysses Grant wrote in his memoirs that even if you accepted a right of secession for one of the original 13 colonies, it doesn't hold for any state admitted after them because the new states were established by the Union itself. (He wrote it better than this but I read it about 7 years ago and can't remember the exact wording.) Besides, the Stalinist model of the liberals won't allow for any freedom to depart -- they won't rest until they have globalized their soak-the-rich, endorse-homosexual/bisexual/quadrisexual-marriage/unions/relationships, anti-gun, anti-religious culture. In their world, anything that smacks of traditional values or individual freedom (except those freedoms they deem acceptable) is to be stamped out whereever it exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter View Post
    the Civil War successfully established the paradigm that secession is not an option for any state in the Union. Ulysses Grant wrote in his memoirs that even if you accepted a right of secession for one of the original 13 colonies, it doesn't hold for any state admitted after them because the new states were established by the Union itself.
    It establishes that dissolution, much like accession, is not unilateral - that if a state wishes to leave, the majority of the rest must agree to let it go.

    It does not say that there can be no devolution under the law, just that devolution, after accession, cannot be unilateral.

    The only alternative would be the natural alternative of successful revolution and resistance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    Remember when they filibustered earlier this year in order to avoid voting on Civil Unions and several other bills? It was despicable and they their majority over it. Now they've got exactly the opposite of what they wanted, with no way to defend against the outcome. The Republicans acted like trash, got treated like trash and thrown to the curb, and now they get to watch from the sidelines (curb) because of their actions.
    Exactly. For the sake of shutting down a law that is supported by the majority of Coloradans, they got voted out by a majority of Coloradans. Not only will civil unions pass in the next two years, but several other things that we're really not gonna like, that actually impact our lives.

    Colorado is still one of the freer states, and will continue to be, but the next couple of years are going to be interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    Remember when they filibustered earlier this year in order to avoid voting on Civil Unions and several other bills? It was despicable and they their majority over it. Now they've got exactly the opposite of what they wanted, with no way to defend against the outcome. The Republicans acted like trash, got treated like trash and thrown to the curb, and now they get to watch from the sidelines (curb) because of their actions.
    Thanks for the clarification. Yes, I agree with you both forma political and a civil right's standpoint. Even John Caldera said earlier this year the the Repubs should get ahead of this and support it. Otherwise, it was going to bite them in the pooper.
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    Now since the governor has thrown down the gauntlet today, do the Republicans have any possibility of stopping potential legislation? Filibuster?

    I guess I won't buy my wife a new CCW piece- she wont be able to carry it to work (CU-Boulder) in the near future anyway.

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