Voter fraud? Here in Colorado? No way?

[Rooskibar03]

Seems like Gilpin, among other, county has some explaining to do.

http://www.redstate.com/2012/09/04/c...s-than-people/

[nynco]

I suspect this is thanks to electronic voting machines. I have said and will keep on repeating, that it is PURE INSANITY to vote on electronic voting machines that are connected to the net that have no paper trail. Even more insane that we vote on machines owned by private for profit corporations that have ties to some of those who are running in the election. Even more insane that the software is not open source and able to be inspected by the public because it is "proprietary". Screw all of that honor all those who fought for freedom by tossing those "voting machines" into the trash. Go back to paper ballots, have them counted by hand. That way we can audit them should any issue arise.

While we are at it, go to instant run off voting so we can break the two party dictatorship we are enslaved too. If you don't know what IRV is read up on it. It will give you the chance to vote for who you want to win and then as your second or third vote for the lessor of two evils. Gary Johnson would have a chance so would Jill Stein or the Constitutionalist party guy. I don't care, I just want to make this country better and breaking the 2 party grip on power is a win win for us all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant..._United_States
http://www.fairvote.org/instant-runo...g#.UJ2MdIfZboI
http://www.instantrunoff.com/

[Aloha_Shooter]

IRV is an interesting concept but any notion that Gary Johnson, Jill Stein or Roseanne Barr would have a practical (as opposed to theoretical) chance to win is an illusion. Game theory -- as well as history -- shows why the two party system evolves the way it does. All TR's third-party run did was hand the election to the less fractured coalition, i.e., Wilson.

The Socialists will win as long as the social traditionalists (i.e., religious or cultural conservatives), libertarians, fiscal conservatives, country clubbers, etc. remain in their own little separate anti-Socialist camps pooh-poohing the others. Everyone involved in that fracture -- whether it's country clubbers looking down on Tea Partiers, libertarians disdaining social traditionalists, etc. -- is equally responsible with the morons who think Obama can run an economy or country and actively support him.

[nynco]

If those other candidates have a practical chance or not does not matter to me. I want the best person to win and I want people to have the freedom to vote for who they think is the best. They can chose Demopublican as their lessor of two evils too. Thankfully more independants are taking national office. Hopefully those independants will help fight to end the two party dictatorship. I know Bernie Sanders is all for IVR and he just got reelected by a MASSIVE margin. Over 70% voted for him. Vermont is a great state that has some of the most liberal (meaning free) laws in the nation when it comes to gun ownership too.

Also quite with the socialist garbage. Norway is a "socialist country" and its perfectly legal to own a suppressor there. No system is perfect but the world is not black and white. We need a mix of what works and what does not tossed out. A system where we have one extreme like Laisezze Fair economics is just as bad as communism. The countries that are the most functional are the ones that have a blend of things. Democratic socialism is not communism. So break out of that limited way of thinking.

[spqrzilla]

A system where we have one extreme like Laisezze Fair economics is just as bad as communism.

Laissez faire economics has not murdered over one hundred million people as communism has.

[Aloha_Shooter]

It also costs $20-40 to eat lunch in Norway but what does economic theory have to do with Second Amendment rights? You're free to move to Germany, Norway, Sweden, France, etc. if you like democratic socialism so much; why do we have to convert the one place in the world that is actually supposed to operate under a theory of democratic capitalism?

Bernie Sanders is a self-inflating arse and Vermont is welcome to him but none of this has anything to do with the OP which was about how various counties (which amazingly went for Obama) suspiciously reported voter totals greater than their populations.

[nynco]

You are free to disagree with me. I want you to have the freedom to vote for the candidate that you think will lead the nation better.

Part of the reason it costs that much in Norway is the US dollar is worth crap. But the amount a Norwegian gets paid actually makes their purchasing power greater than the average Americans after the costs of life are taken out. So its apples to oranges that way. I can say that Norway has DOUBLE the rate of small business and entrepreneurs than the US has. Today the US has half the entrepreneurs that it did during the Carter years.

Now you are free to disagree with me, but I like to look at facts and the facts show that we have something to learn. I suggest you read this with an open mind.
http://www.inc.com/magazine/20110201...socialism.html

Now as to the suspicious voter issues. I agree any instance where there is a problem, we need to investigate and JAIL anyone found guilt for a LONG TIME. To me that is akin treason. But one way we can fix this is to toss all the voting machines that can be hacked. Its just too dangerous for the nation to have a system that compromises the core basis of the nation. Computers are hackable. One hacker could perform a quite coup.

[PSS]

You are free to disagree with me. I want you to have the freedom to vote for the candidate that you think will lead the nation better.

Part of the reason it costs that much in Norway is the US dollar is worth crap. But the amount a Norwegian gets paid actually makes their purchasing power greater than the average Americans after the costs of life are taken out. So its apples to oranges that way. I can say that Norway has DOUBLE the rate of small business and entrepreneurs than the US has. Today the US has half the entrepreneurs that it did during the Carter years.

Now you are free to disagree with me, but I like to look at facts and the facts show that we have something to learn. I suggest you read this with an open mind.
http://www.inc.com/magazine/20110201...socialism.html

Now as to the suspicious voter issues. I agree any instance where there is a problem, we need to investigate and JAIL anyone found guilt for a LONG TIME. To me that is akin treason. But one way we can fix this is to toss all the voting machines that can be hacked. Its just too dangerous for the nation to have a system that compromises the core basis of the nation. Computers are hackable. One hacker could perform a quite coup.

1 US dollar is worth 5.86 Krone. How is that crap? If the average wage is 1400$ US and they take 38% out in taxes that comes to 868 take home pay a week. Not so great if lunches cost 20-40.

[nynco]

Because if the average pay is higher then the amount of work it takes to make the money is the same. The standard of living for most Norwegians is higher than the US. l hope you read the article to learn more about it.

[low drag]

I've been there and you are wrong.