Voter fraud? Here in Colorado? No way?

[spqrzilla]

Rather brazen voter fraud in Ohio in 2004 (more votes than voters in more than a few red counties) and FL in 2000 but you guys did not care because Bush got elected. Heck the supreme court stepped in in 2000 in stole election by ending the counting of votes.

Listen I don't give a crap if the people chose to elect a libertarian. But if we can not trust our elections, what do we have left?

You really are filled with utter nonsense and a bizarre fantasy life. Post election analyses by news media including the NYT you are so fond of found that Bush would have been the winner of the recounts if fairly applied.

[nynco]

Owning a gun is a constitutional right and we have been forced to show ID when doing that. Its just not worth risking the fraud IMO.
Also, if it was made a big deal to get a ballot, maybe, people would treat it as a big deal to get out and vote too?

Doc I am not averse to what you are saying. I just see the people trying to do it in ways that deny people their constitutional rights. You want to make that law. Fine, create a system that fixes the exceptional cases and also make it not come into effect for a decade. Give people time to be ready for the change. The current way of implementation had those who wanted those things wanting those changes over night.

[nynco]

You can read about what I am talking about here.
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0601-34.htm

http://truth-out.org/news/item/12479...-will-steal-it

"If all the ballots had been reviewed under any of seven single standards, and combined with the results of an examination of overvotes, Mr. Gore would have won, by a very narrow margin." Ford Fessenden and John M. Broder,New York Times , Nov. 12, 2001.
http://www.alternet.org/story/86585/..._2000_election

[DOC]

Well I'm glad AlGore didn't win. It gave him more time to work on his other scams like the Global Warming scam and the Climate Change scam and the most profitable the Carbon Credit scam. He would have just wasted away as President apologizing to Afghanistan for putting our buildings in the way of their planes on 9/11. It would have eased the pressure on himself to get back to screwing the rest of America. But unless the votes were really in his favor with no fraud then he should have won. But if you take out the fraud I think it would have been a landslide for Bush.

[nynco]

Well DOC both you and I think there is a problem with the elections. No one on the right cared when it was their guys getting elected. I don't really care about your opinions on what you think Gore would have done. They are irrelevant. What is relevant is that our election system is broke and neither side can trust it. That is bad news for the long term health of this nation. That needs to be fixed.

[nynco]

Ex-Employee of HART Intercivic Voting Machines Blows Whistle
http://www.politicolnews.com/ex-employee-of-hart-intercivic-voting-machines-blows-whistle/

Fox news shows hacking of voting machines
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4FPuLNjvAc

Here peruse youtube for actual videos of people doing it. It took one kid less than 15 seconds in a video I saw a few years back.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hacking+voting+machines&oq=ha ck&gs_l=youtube.3.0.35i39j0l9.825.3657.0.4907.14.7 .5.2.3.0.150.737.3j4.7.0...0.0...1ac.1.NLD_ecYy7-U

[DOC]

Well DOC both you and I think there is a problem with the elections. No one on the right cared when it was their guys getting elected. I don't really care about your opinions on what you think Gore would have done. They are irrelevant. What is relevant is that our election system is broke and neither side can trust it. That is bad news for the long term health of this nation. That needs to be fixed.

I know it doesn't matter what I think about Gore. He just gets on my nerves. The system needs fixed and better regulated. And I hate regulations.

[nynco]

agreed

[DOC]

What can we do about it? Complaining on a message board doesn't get it fixed. Its a start IMHO.

[nynco]

Well for one we need to educate everyone we meet on the subject. Every little bit helps. We also need to make this a state, local and federal issue. Because it effects ALL elections.

I personally follow this site a lot for info.
http://blackboxvoting.org/

I have also brought it up with my elected officials in person. We are very good at voicing our concern about gun owner rights. Voting issues should be a concern for us all too. Its not a left right issue. Its an issue that bridges that divide. It's just a matter of getting the corrupt politicians to do something about it. Part of the problem is there are politicians who now have business interests in this corrupt for profit election machine system. I don't care if you supported Romney. But I think it is just a REALLY bad thing that Romneys son has a major stake in the voting machine company that runs Ohio. That is a big conflict of interest there. Frankly we need to go voting machines like NY use to use (might still too) it was a lever system. You would have to mess with the gears on it to get it to be corrupt. Which could happen. But even then, it produces a ballot that the person can read and a ballot that could be counted by hand.