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I wouldn't take any of those petitions seriously. I think any Con-Law professor or study of Con-Law would be able to tell you that states have no right to secede. That being said, I am more annoyed with the thread title spelled wrong.
WE NO SHIT... we got a winner!!!!! It finally got through to one of you right wingers. That is what Obama care is. It is a federal mandate for the states to do something. Its not a federal take over one bit. It is the states who have to implement it in their own way in a given frame work. One that will increase competition in a market that has been run by cartels.Originally Posted by tmckay2
Also this has to be said.... Years ago in a not to distant time. The extreme right wing of America use to tell all the liberals/hippies/anyone who did not believe as they did on things.... oh like Vietnam... what was it? Oh yeah
AMERICA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!!!! oh the irony
Giving states power to control anything doesn't give them power to secede. I wasn't sure if you were arguing that or not. I personally think the whole secession talk is pretty ridiculous.
I think he was pointing out that if a person doesn't like the way that a state runs the medical program, they are free to move to another, more acceptable state.
I do too. I confused your statement with Obamacare. My mistake. I personally think it is dumb. But honestly if TX or the south wanted to strike out on their own... go for it.
The problem is that they are cartels. I believe health insurance companies were exempted from anti-trust sometimes around 1946. I can look this up if anybody cares. From what I've read of this pile of poop of a plan is that it was mainly a giveaway to these guys. I doubt if the states have the power to unwind this. It has a few features that are sort of populist to make it less raw.
I'm a big believer in free markets but openness and information are required. Asymmetries of power and information wreck this. Assuming I had some money and wanted to get my house remodeled there are sites I can go and publish my specs and contractors will be bidding on that. Good luck getting quotes from docs. They act like you should be grateful that they see you. You only get some info when you are moving into uncovered territory. You see a little more of this open quality in dentists since most people have crappy or no dental insurance.
Steve
No worries.
I know in England they have an option for socialized health care or you can opt out and buy your own insurance and use doctors of your choice. I am not exactly sure how that works and I am certainly not privy to the fines or punishments by opting out all together. I agree that states have rights but I am a little pessimistic about any state existing that will ultimately opt out, even those who say they will now. I am curious as to what will happen if no states opt out or a few states actually do opt out. I am curious as to what pressures they will get from the government.
Agreed
I don't know. But from what I hope will happen out of this is it will weaken the insurance cartels. No doubt the bill is too complicated. It is not what I wanted at all. But we shall see. I do know the current/old system was beyond broke. I also glad that there was language in the bill that allows states to set up their own single payer system should you want to have that rather than being beholden to the cartels. Its not perfect but I hope that it does some good.
And sorry, I will stop replying to the obamacare part. It is not part of this thread and my mistake is crapping up the thread.
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