Succession Threads: Merged

[Rucker61]

No but there is resolve, commitment and sacrifice. A secession by nature is a peaceful proposal of separation when considered can lead to formal recognition of grievances resulting in compromise or opposed can swell into revolution. Neither pretty nor glorious it is indicative of the high price of freedom when one seeks to impose their will on others through force.

That was a pun referencing the movie "Glory", in that this movement won't have any black people in it, unlike the movie.

[Teufelhund]

That was a pun referencing the movie "Glory", in that this movement won't have any black people in it, unlike the movie.

[Whistler]

That was a pun referencing the movie "Glory", in that this movement won't have any black people in it, unlike the movie.

I'm not familiar with that movie and have no frame of reference however I will look into. Not sure I get the pun, are you implying a thirst for freedom or the will to attain it is bound by race? Am I to infer dissatisfaction with the current state of the union is purely a middle-aged-grumpy-white-guy-thing? Or are you simply taking the cheap shot at the lack of racial diversity in the painting?

[Teufelhund]

There's no "Glory" in this secession.

I saw a comment that signing one of these petitions might be a legally enforceable citizenship resignation. I'll leave it to the legal experts here to comment.

I think the mistake a lot of liberal folks are making today is writing off the dissatisfaction that spawned this recent desire for secession as tantamount to a tantrum because the candidate of a certain party lost. In reality, the underlying theme is the realization that a perceptibly socialistic administration has driven our economy, free market philosophy, and inalienable rights toward ineffectuality, and those who recognize the inevitable outcome would rather leave and start over than see it get any worse. It's not bitterness, it is admitting being outnumbered by communists and cutting one's losses. The Glory to be found is in this sentiment from a seemingly forgotten document:

"--That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

[Whistler]

Okay now that's funny! Or sad... now I'm conflicted damn you!

[Whistler]

You sure seem hung up on race but I don't think it would be an insurmountable issue in Texas. The large Hispanic demographic has been intrinsic to Texas since it's inception and are well integrated with a long history and deep roots. Most of the Hispanics I knew growing up in Texas considered themselves Texans first, I don't recall significant racial tension between Whites & Hispanics. Obviously there is a sector that fly the Mexican flag, refuse to integrate and display distrust of other races though they are the minority in my experience.

[flan7211]

You sure seem hung up on race but I don't think it would be an insurmountable issue in Texas. The large Hispanic demographic has been intrinsic to Texas since it's inception and are well integrated with a long history and deep roots. Most of the Hispanics I knew growing up in Texas considered themselves Texans first, I don't recall significant racial tension between Whites & Hispanics. Obviously there is a sector that fly the Mexican flag, refuse to integrate and display distrust of other races though they are the minority in my experience.

Dude no tension between whites and hispanics? Dude where were you? All over Texas is tension, at least from what I've seen. California is worse. God going into the wrong Target you get some weird looks depending on race. California is the next Kosovo JMHO.

[Whistler]

Dude no tension between whites and hispanics? Dude where were you? All over Texas is tension, at least from what I've seen. California is worse. God going into the wrong Target you get some weird looks depending on race. California is the next Kosovo JMHO.

I grew up on the Gulf Coast between Houston & Galveston. Admittedly it's been 8 years or so since I've spent much time there but growing up I never had any problems with any Hispanics outside of gangs (well except a "disagreement" over a pool game once but that's another story). Our neighbor was Hispanic, the most tension we ever had was teasing him about his grand pecan orchard scheme, when I joined the Navy they were still spindly and only about 6' tall. I worked in construction and in the ship yards, the only tension I saw was mutual between assholes. Maybe it was just me, I get along anyplace not overrun by yuppies & Liberals.

[Rucker61]

You sure seem hung up on race but I don't think it would be an insurmountable issue in Texas. The large Hispanic demographic has been intrinsic to Texas since it's inception and are well integrated with a long history and deep roots. Most of the Hispanics I knew growing up in Texas considered themselves Texans first, I don't recall significant racial tension between Whites & Hispanics. Obviously there is a sector that fly the Mexican flag, refuse to integrate and display distrust of other races though they are the minority in my experience.

Hung up? I wouldn't think so, given the makeup of my own relations. However, I would surmise that the folks who have signed the secession petitions to leave a country led by a Democratic president with a Democratically controlled Senate would be largely white, and might not be happy with the government that might result in a country with a non-white majority.

[DOC]

If they weren't white and people of all colors who didn't like the direction that the country was going. Would that be ok?
That's what I see happening.