Succession Threads: Merged

[jackthewall81]

...and how the federal government reacts.

Screw the Feds.

[Ronin13]

This whole conversation is pure fantasy, because the Federal government is not going to let any state secede.

Outside of the 1860's, has a peaceful secession ever been attempted? I would imagine if you had a majority in a certain state decide to it would be possible. We all want to avoid any civil war or violence, and the way states rights have been deteriorated over the last 100 years or so, it would seem their grievances are legitimate and I don't believe there is any law that states a state within the union doesn't have the right to withdraw.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I would be down. Let the welfare hounds have their own country.

Instead of fleeing, why don't you make THEM have their own country. Start a petition to give California (except San Diego and surrounding county) back to Mexico and New York/New Jersey back to England -- or perhaps Canada as the geographically-closest member of the British Commonwealth. Hell, throw Vermont in there too so we can dump Bernie Sanders on another country ...

[Aloha_Shooter]

Outside of the 1860's, has a peaceful secession ever been attempted? I would imagine if you had a majority in a certain state decide to it would be possible. We all want to avoid any civil war or violence, and the way states rights have been deteriorated over the last 100 years or so, it would seem their grievances are legitimate and I don't believe there is any law that states a state within the union doesn't have the right to withdraw.

Secession? Not exactly but there has been a sovereignty movement in Hawaii for the last 30 years attempting to get the US to recognize the fact that the American Ambassador and detached Marines supported an illegal and hostile overthrow of a friendly and cooperative government which was recognized throughout Europe as a sovereign power. One of the many problems with their premise is that most of the people in the so-called sovereignty movement are themselves Marxists that would have been protesting the Hawaiian Kingdom if it still existed. Another major issue is that the Kamehameha line no longer has any recognized heir and neither does the Kalakaua family so the only available legal construct (e.g., election through the Office of Hawaiian Affairs) has never had any standing as a sovereign power.

[Zundfolge]

Outside of the 1860's, has a peaceful secession ever been attempted? I would imagine if you had a majority in a certain state decide to it would be possible. We all want to avoid any civil war or violence, and the way states rights have been deteriorated over the last 100 years or so, it would seem their grievances are legitimate and I don't believe there is any law that states a state within the union doesn't have the right to withdraw.

Actually the initial secession by the Confederate states was peaceful ... but then the South Carolinians couldn't stand the thought of armed American troops "occupying" Ft Sumter (and Lincoln certainly wasn't going to order their retreat) and instead of waiting for some sort of peaceful, legal removal of the US troops they just started shooting.

Now considering how many US military outposts there are in Texas, I expect something similar would happen. Even if Texas was allowed to secede, they wouldn't be allowed to expel US troops and certainly wouldn't be allowed to nationalize them. Which probably wouldn't set too well with Texans.


Of course I've been suspicious that all these petitions have shown up on the White House web site ... I smell a rat. Either the White House is collecting the names of "enemies" or they're planning for the eventual dissolution of the US (which would probably be followed soon after with invasion by the Chinese or Russians ... one of which Obama has bowed to, the other he's promised "more flexibility after the election").

[Danimal]

This whole thing is significant on other levels. When there is a general response given, regardless of what it is, the media will report and the message is out there. Then in a couple years when we are collapsing like Greece the secession will be a more warranted and desired outcome with the proper backing and the government will not be able to do anything about it. It is getting the idea out there that is important and for the right reasons. Economic downfall is the right reason and if things get as bad as the could over this next term you will indeed see the support needed for a secession to take place. Either that or I think that we should all buy a nice little island somewhere and set up our own little government there with our own currency and tell the US to pound sand when they come looking for tax dollars.

[Zundfolge]

Like I said in the other secession thread, I'm suspicious that all these petitions have shown up on the White House web site ... I smell a rat. Either the White House is collecting the names of "enemies" or they're planning for the eventual dissolution of the US (which would probably be followed soon after with invasion by the Chinese or Russians ... one of which Obama has bowed to, the other he's promised "more flexibility after the election").

[ronaldrwl]

Even BO isn't dump enough to let go his money making R's

[Ronin13]

This whole thing is significant on other levels. When there is a general response given, regardless of what it is, the media will report and the message is out there. Then in a couple years when we are collapsing like Greece the secession will be a more warranted and desired outcome with the proper backing and the government will not be able to do anything about it. It is getting the idea out there that is important and for the right reasons. Economic downfall is the right reason and if things get as bad as the could over this next term you will indeed see the support needed for a secession to take place. Either that or I think that we should all buy a nice little island somewhere and set up our own little government there with our own currency and tell the US to pound sand when they come looking for tax dollars.

"I claim this island in the name of our new nation! Guntopia!" I can dig it!

[Ronin13]

Even BO isn't dump enough to let go his money making R's

I dunno- he sure seems dumb enough to alienate and push them away... Whatever happens, I don't like where this all is heading.