Succession Threads: Merged

[Ronin13]

Shhhhh don't tell anyone but Colorado is a BLUE state.... mean BLUE BLUE BLUE. State, local (most areas) Governor, Senators and the state legislature... Its more blue than New Jersey

This is the scary part- hence the reason I've been looking into the housing and job market of Montana. I'd rather not be in the state filled with Prius driving, pot smoking, man-loving, patchouli smelling hippies.

[brokenscout]

Agreed with all except the pot smoking...

This is the scary part- hence the reason I've been looking into the housing and job market of Montana. I'd rather not be in the state filled with Prius driving, pot smoking, man-loving, patchouli smelling hippies.

[nynco]

This is the scary part- hence the reason I've been looking into the housing and job market of Montana. I'd rather not be in the state filled with Prius driving, pot smoking, man-loving, patchouli smelling hippies.

Montana is one of two states that is currently in the process of making a STATE run single payer healthcare option. OMG its going SOCIALIST... quick get the Depends.

[Ronin13]

Montana is one of two states that is currently in the process of making a STATE run single payer healthcare option. OMG its going SOCIALIST... quick get the Depends.

Well I really have no dog in this fight- I'm a 50%+ Disabled Vet, so I'm technically already under a socialist-esque medical plan- now I have the option to buy my own health insurance in addition to (so I don't have to wait for 2 months to be seen, or have to wait forever for things to process), but with the way healthcare costs are going now, I think I'll just stick with this.

[tmckay2]

Montana is one of two states that is currently in the process of making a STATE run single payer healthcare option. OMG its going SOCIALIST... quick get the Depends.

key word being state run, meaning that people can always leave if they feel they are being unfairly taxed for a BS government program.

[nynco]

key word being state run, meaning that people can always leave if they feel they are being unfairly taxed for a BS government program.

WE NO SHIT... we got a winner!!!!! It finally got through to one of you right wingers. That is what Obama care is. It is a federal mandate for the states to do something. Its not a federal take over one bit. It is the states who have to implement it in their own way in a given frame work. One that will increase competition in a market that has been run by cartels.

[KevDen2005]

WE NO SHIT... we got a winner!!!!! It finally got through to one of you right wingers. That is what Obama care is. It is a federal mandate for the states to do something. Its not a federal take over one bit. It is the states who have to implement it in their own way in a given frame work. One that will increase competition in a market that has been run by cartels.

Giving states power to control anything doesn't give them power to secede. I wasn't sure if you were arguing that or not. I personally think the whole secession talk is pretty ridiculous.

[Rucker61]

Giving states power to control anything doesn't give them power to secede. I wasn't sure if you were arguing that or not. I personally think the whole secession talk is pretty ridiculous.

I think he was pointing out that if a person doesn't like the way that a state runs the medical program, they are free to move to another, more acceptable state.

[CrufflerSteve]

WE NO SHIT... we got a winner!!!!! It finally got through to one of you right wingers. That is what Obama care is. It is a federal mandate for the states to do something. Its not a federal take over one bit. It is the states who have to implement it in their own way in a given frame work. One that will increase competition in a market that has been run by cartels.

The problem is that they are cartels. I believe health insurance companies were exempted from anti-trust sometimes around 1946. I can look this up if anybody cares. From what I've read of this pile of poop of a plan is that it was mainly a giveaway to these guys. I doubt if the states have the power to unwind this. It has a few features that are sort of populist to make it less raw.

I'm a big believer in free markets but openness and information are required. Asymmetries of power and information wreck this. Assuming I had some money and wanted to get my house remodeled there are sites I can go and publish my specs and contractors will be bidding on that. Good luck getting quotes from docs. They act like you should be grateful that they see you. You only get some info when you are moving into uncovered territory. You see a little more of this open quality in dentists since most people have crappy or no dental insurance.

Steve

[nynco]

The problem is that they are cartels. I believe health insurance companies were exempted from anti-trust sometimes around 1946. I can look this up if anybody cares. From what I've read of this pile of poop of a plan is that it was mainly a giveaway to these guys. I doubt if the states have the power to unwind this. It has a few features that are sort of populist to make it less raw.

I'm a big believer in free markets but openness and information are required. Asymmetries of power and information wreck this. Assuming I had some money and wanted to get my house remodeled there are sites I can go and publish my specs and contractors will be bidding on that. Good luck getting quotes from docs. They act like you should be grateful that they see you. You only get some info when you are moving into uncovered territory. You see a little more of this open quality in dentists since most people have crappy or no dental insurance.

Steve

Agreed