Jim do you know what the term "The Commons" means? Well that does not come free.
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You don't have a right to anything at all then... Life? Pfft. Fuck that. Liberty? Pfft. No way. Pursuit of happiness? Pfft. Yeah right.Originally Posted by Rucker61
Get the fuck out, bro. A business has every RIGHT to be profitable. Just like you have the right to be a dipshit.
Saying a business doesn't have a right to be profitable is like saying I don't have a right to make money. Which in turn is like saying that you yourself do not have a right to make money.
Based on your logic I would like to quit my job and be a leech. Your leech, to be exact.
I propose that you give me every penny of "profit" you get from your paycheck. That means I get all the money you make above what your bills are... Sound good? No? That's your money? I can't take that? You have a RIGHT to keep that money that you worked hard for? Pot, meet kettle.
Do you really think that the "right to pursue happiness" is equivalent to "the right to attain happiness"? If so, then we really have no common ground for discussion. If we want to interpret verbiage in the Constitution to our own benefit, then you should should be prepared for apoplexy over the manner in which some would interpret "promote the general welfare" (which, btw, is found in the Preamble to the Constitution - your reference to "pursuit of happiness" is not).
That said, other than the language outlining the right for a business venture to make a profit not being explicitly stated in any of the Founding Fathers' documents, I would have to say that it's my opinion that businesses do not have a right (legally protected, etc.) to earn a guaranteed profit. Feel free to educate me by providing cites that such a right exists. If it did exist, how is it protected?
Contrary to popular opinion no body owes you shit!
If i start a business and hire you, you are lucky. If you don't like the job go somewhere else.
But you also don't have a right to tell a business they can't make profit. And to make a business donate it's profit to the leeches.
Are we striking a nerve? Are you afraid for your government assistance program?
Like Commune, Common area, All That We Share What i choose to share with others that deserve it i will. I do not want to be forced by law or mandate to share with those who do not deserve it.
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You'll share your reloading bench with me, right?
Can we all agree that a private business has a need to be profitable? If there is no profit, then there is no business. Human nature is such that very few people will risk their time or treasure without any possibility for something of greater value, i.e. profit.
Every economic transaction is based upon the fact that the buyer and seller each believe they are getting the better end of the transaction. Even when a transaction is conducted at a loss or even up, there is almost always an expectation that the loss will be compensated in some form at a future time in a subsequent transaction.
Corporations begin, conduct business, and die. Life goes on. There are those who will increase and others who will decrease. Other people or corporations will replace Hostess, and the former Hostess employees will become employees elsewhere or become dependent upon other entities such as charitable organizations, family/friends, and/or governments.
Vaya con Dios!
These rights are enumerated in the Declaration of Independence. No search of that document or the Constitution yields the word "profit".
Perhaps I'm not understanding your definition of the word "right" in this context. Agreement on the definition of key terms in any argument is important. How is the "right to profit" defined, how is it protected, and can you cite examples of where the right to profit was violated and then reinstated? I really don't understand, given that we allow businesses to fail and have mechanisms in place to facilitate that failure (bankruptcy laws, etc.), how that right exists? Sure, we've seen government interaction to protect the existence of businesses such as the bailouts, but those were to protect the country and its people from the consequences of those failures.
Get the fuck out, bro. A business has every RIGHT to be profitable. Just like you have the right to be a dipshit.
I don't have a right to make money. My company can let me go, at any time, for any reason, no matter how well I've performed, without recompense from that company. No one has to hire me. Or you. I have the ability to be competitive in the workforce, and to give me employer as high of an ROI as I can to keep competitive, but my company can say "even though the sub-business was profitable, we don't want to be in that business anymore. Goodbye everyone". It's happend to me before in high tech.
Saying a business doesn't have a right to be profitable is like saying I don't have a right to make money. Which in turn is like saying that you yourself do not have a right to make money.
[/quote]Based on your logic I would like to quit my job and be a leech. Your leech, to be exact.
I propose that you give me every penny of "profit" you get from your paycheck. That means I get all the money you make above what your bills are... Sound good? No? That's your money? I can't take that? You have a RIGHT to keep that money that you worked hard for? Pot, meet kettle.
That's not my logic, it's yours. As businesses have no right to profit, the poor, working or not, have no right to any else's money, either. You want some profit, go earn it. You want my profit? Put out a tip jar next to your barista stand.
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