How much damage from Obamacare?

[josh7328]

I've been reading some pretty scary stuff lately about the horrible economic impact that ObamaCare is going to have when it takes effect. Just how far do you guys expect OCare to drag the economy down? With the combination of increasing cost of almost all goods and services, killing jobs and shutting down companies, and decreasing the number of medical professionals, it seems like almost an economic 'perfect storm'. A perfect model of how to kill a country's economy. Please tell me I'm over reacting.

[Teufelhund]

Here's some shit to get your blood boiling. According to the liberals, companies are just laying people off out of spite and meanness.

Marine buddy of mine, who is also somehow a stupid ass liberal, posted this up on FB. I noticed he shared it from a page entitled "LIBERAL and PROUD of it." It inspired a not-so-friendly discussion between his idiot liberal friends and I.

[Great-Kazoo]

I was told by my nurse, 1 major player in the NoCo area will see an easy 50% retirement of Dr & Surgeons, by end of 2013, early 14. She is currently retraining for another career outside the medical field.

[josh7328]

I have too short a fuze with libs to have them on my FB anymore. I've removed friends and family for saying stupid things like that. You may have seen my threads a while ago about my FB debates. I've since decided that I just can't deal with them pissing me off every day and removed them. The quiet has been nice.

Saying that companies would close their doors and alienate their employees just to throw a temper tantrum is stupid, and shows an extreme lack of understanding... of anything.

[Kraven251]

I am far from saying that the "reform" to health care is a good thing, but does anyone know of any analysts etc that have really dug into the forest killing book that was that whole thing. I can read parts of it and understand it, but then it takes a right turn in the middle of a sentence that puts me in the middle of WTF land.

I'm not a lawyer and definitely do not want to even play one on the internet, but I would love some clarity on what it is going to do. My biggest problem is I keep hearing about the repercussions, but not really what is the driving force behind them. I honestly want to be better informed, any takers?

[streetglideok]

Theres alot of things going on with obamacare. You have the part, where employers must provide medical benefits to fulltime employees, or face penalties. Then, you have the escape clause, where if they are part time, they don't have to. Then, for the part timers, they will have to find their own insurance, or get hit with a tax at the end of the year. Then there is the payment of services to doctors and hospitals. They will only pay one time for a problem. If you think you need to go back and see the doctor, he's going to push you out for a month. This is just some of what happens to our friends to the north. The insurance costs will go up due to all the regulatory changes. Some things that used to be covered, will not be now, ie certain things regarding the use of oxygen. My wife could go on about it, as she is in the medical field. The majority of healthcare providers are advocates of the patients. They are interested in the patient's wellbeing. That said, very few are backing Obamacare. That should tell you alot.

[Kraven251]

Thanks for the summation, so much about this I feel so damn ignorant about. Unfortunately, most of what I find online is so tainted left or right, it is hard to see what is really happening, and it makes me wonder if anyone actually knows what all is in the legislation.

[streetglideok]

Hell, crazy Nancy Pelosi doesn't even know whats in it, and she voted for the thing.

[Kraven251]

Hell, crazy Nancy Pelosi doesn't even know whats in it, and she voted for the thing.

I'm surprised she knows what planet she is waking up on.

[spqrzilla]

I'm surprised she knows what planet she is waking up on.

What makes you think she does?