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    most of my in laws are canadian. to be honest i think people are overreacting about obama care. i hate it as much as anyone but i don't think it is going to cripple the country. canada has an even worse system and they're fine. its not a good system but it doesn't cause the country to implode. i think you are going to see higher health care costs, less doctors, more patients, longer wait times, and a small affect on the economy. business owners aren't just going to lay tons of people off on a grand scale. it will happen a little bit but not like people think.

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    my tricare premiums are likely going to go up from what I've heard 345% in the next 5 years, so my monthly pay from the army reserves won't be enough (after taxes I get $240, tricare costs me $192/month)

    I joined the reserves after I got out of active duty so my wife could have healthcare :sigh:
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    I've been hearing mixed responses to a very important question- as a 50%+ Service Connected Disabled Vet (SCDV), I have all my medical needs taken care of by the VA. I would like some clarity on the issue that I can't seem to get a clear answer on, will Ocare mess with my VA medical? Will I have to get additional insurance or pay the tax (fee)? I heard that VA is unaffected by OCare, but I want to be sure, otherwise I'm going to be screaming profanities outside both the white house and capital hill.
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    Meanwhile, the Obama administration is blaming the states when in fact they can't get their own act together.
    HHS had a deadline of this October for states to announce whether they would set up exchanges but HHS had not even announced the regulations on what the policies offered in the exchanges had to contain - because they were hiding it from voters.
    http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/2...are-exchanges/
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    Ronin -- Ocare won't mess with your VA medical until they need to and until they've convinced everyone that you shouldn't have special privileges. The whole damned program is an incremental decay like turning the heat up slowly on the frog in the pot of water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter View Post
    Ronin -- Ocare won't mess with your VA medical until they need to and until they've convinced everyone that you shouldn't have special privileges. The whole damned program is an incremental decay like turning the heat up slowly on the frog in the pot of water.
    So I should expect the shite to roll down hill eventually then?
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    It's already hitting my oldest brother who served 24+ years in the Navy. Retired in '91 and is now facing some rather serious health issues. He has to travel from MT to the Mayo Clinic in AZ every 2-3 months. Tri Care is already reducing the amount they are paying and he just started treatments this past January.

    They may end up having to sell their MT home and move to AZ to be closer to the clinic. So far neither my brother nor sister-in-law are impressed with anything in the Phoenix area.

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    So, my new Tricare Prime rate notification came in.

    My retired rate increases 600% on 01 November.

    Check your statements, brothers.

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    My company is seeing a 4.2 million dollar increase in what it pays. Obviously, they are passing some of that cost on to its employees. The rest, I'm fairly certain will be passed on to our customers. Who, in turn, will pass it on to their customers. Don't worry. Everybody will see everything cost more due to Obamacare. Not just the cost of your health insurance.

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    We are already seeing the economic effects of Obamacare in the massive underemployment/unemployment in this country.
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