Arizona gun store won't sell to Obama voters

[Whistler]

It might also prove to non-gun-owners that gun-owners are absolute dickheads.

Really? It's okay for them to distort & ignore the facts to legislate infringement of my rights and to vote their individual welfare ahead of that of the country but he's a dickhead for taking a stand on what he believes in? Bit of a double standard there. I try to be a goodwill ambassador for the firearms community however I don't coddle Liberal idiots either. You can't change some people's minds they will raise their voices and stamp their feet while spewing tolerant rebukes of "racism" and "bitter clinger". Spite and pride is trying to take my rights based on your emotional response, they don't like them so I "don't need them".

This board is filled with posts advocating respect for the business owner in the context of concealed carry and as many touting the business owner right to run his business as he sees fit, including extorting employee political decisions. While we might hold the opinion that it is our responsibility to promote the positive aspects of our sport at every opportunity the fact is no such responsibility exists. We do it because we choose to and each in our own way, maybe he perceives it as a wake up call and overall positive in sparking dialog and debate.

That is one of the great things about America that hasn't been stripped from us yet; the right to be as clever & informed or as closed-minded and ignorant as we choose to be. It's also why ice cream doesn't just come in chocolate.

[nynco]

Really? name calling because you are not Tolerant & Diverse. Guess we know who you voted for.
HEY ASHTON, LOOK I FOUND ANOTHER O SUPPORTER ( Or someone who shares ideology) AND NEVER ASKED WHO THEY VOTED FOR.

yeah you should really be more tolerant of the knee jerk liberal hate. This is sooo stupid when you conservatives WHINE and I mean look above at all the whining about people not being tolerant of your hate of other people. Then to top it all off, you want the people you hate to see your side of the 2nd amendment argument. About the only straight shooting you guys are doing is right into your own foot.

[wreave]

Not that it's likely to be challenged in court, but I wonder if he really has the right to refuse service to anyone. Imagine if Romney had won, and a grocery store that gets a lot of food stamp business put up a sign about Romney voters. I'm just not sure it's legal to refuse to serve based on political preferences. It certainly isn't in California, but I'm not sure if there are any Federal or Arizona laws prohibiting discrimination based on political preference.

He'll gain business from some like-minded people, and alienate others. And at the end of the day, "there's no such thing as bad publicity." Right?

[DavieD55]

yeah you should really be more tolerant of the knee jerk liberal hate. This is sooo stupid when you conservatives WHINE and I mean look above at all the whining about people not being tolerant of your hate of other people. Then to top it all off, you want the people you hate to see your side of the 2nd amendment argument. About the only straight shooting you guys are doing is right into your own foot.

You know i think i have an alternative for ya nynco.

http://www.theliberalgunclub.com/

[IShouldDoThisAllTheTime]

Really? name calling because you are not Tolerant & Diverse. Guess we know who you voted for.
HEY ASHTON, LOOK I FOUND ANOTHER O SUPPORTER ( Or someone who shares ideology) AND NEVER ASKED WHO THEY VOTED FOR.

Yeah, you got me. I'm probably also vegetarian and left handed and a fag. Now knock it off.

Look, 50% of the country didn't take your/my/our/whoever's arguments seriously. We need to be *growing* the shooting community, and that means not alienating people who aren't already a part of it.

You know what the self-image of an immigrant rights activist is? A person who cares about individual human dignity. You know what the self-image of a self-defense rights activist is? A person who cares about individual human dignity. There is a common language that can be spoken here, and this us-versus-them mentality is bullshit and gets us nowhere.

You know how we convince "them" that "we" aren't infantile? DON'T throw public tantrums.

You know how we convince "them" that "we" aren't ignorant? DON'T assume you know everything -- or even anything -- about them because of how they react to your tantrum.

You know how we convince "them" that "we" aren't bullies? DON'T call them incapable of exercising a fundamental constitutionally guaranteed human right.

You know how we convince "them" that "we" aren't paranoid clingers? DO drop the siege mentality.

The shooting community is its own worst enemy when it comes to PR, and its shit like this at the core of it. This behavior only appeals to the single demographic that needs NO outreach from us.


If you're worried about another AWB, or mail-order ammo ban, or whatever, and GIVEN that an Obama win already puts us all behind the curve on these fights, we as a group need to STOP making the anti's job easier. Don't act like a goddamn clown, and don't cheer on those among us who do.

[MrPrena]

Great,,,,, this got into a political debate thread.


Just remember how we lost this election.
Demographics. Our party did not do a better job to reach people in certain community.
It was about 12-15 counties in swing states really got us.
Although I would love to criticize democrats, I am gonna try to convince them to come to the RIGHT SIDE.

Before 2016, I am planning to have 4-5 democrats to convert to republican. It will be much easier, because our economy will probably go to a crap..

[Aloha_Shooter]

I personally thought the store owner was making a point that decisions have consequences. He was willing to give up a few sales in order to emphasize his point. Obama voters who want to buy a gun are still free to buy one (if they haven't lost their rights to do so), just not from him. You can still take non-shooters shooting to get them exposed to it without letting them have one; as the store owner said, they proved their poor judgment and irresponsibility when they voted for Obama. In any event, I was more focused on the fact that someone was willing to take a stand on principle -- he's willing to give sales for his principles, did Alec Baldwin ever leave the country as he promised when Bush won?

[Ronin13]

How can you find out who a person voted for

Everyone else overlooked one simple thing- they usually tell you. Liberals are the type to stand on the mountain top exclaiming their views, even if no one wants to hear it. Same goes for Vegans and PeTA supporters. You don't have to ask, they'll tell you before you can even start guessing.

[tmckay2]

certainly the owner's right. also certainly an idiotic move. who cares, not everyone can have the same philosophy. refusing to serve people based on their political stance is ridiculous. shallow to me. also appears to me to be an attention whore. what, is he going to have every person sign a statement saying they didn't vote for obama and swear on it?

[Whistler]

Yeah, you got me. I'm probably also vegetarian and left handed and a fag. Now knock it off.

Look, 50% of the country didn't take your/my/our/whoever's arguments seriously. We need to be *growing* the shooting community, and that means not alienating people who aren't already a part of it.

You know what the self-image of an immigrant rights activist is? A person who cares about individual human dignity. You know what the self-image of a self-defense rights activist is? A person who cares about individual human dignity. There is a common language that can be spoken here, and this us-versus-them mentality is bullshit and gets us nowhere.

You know how we convince "them" that "we" aren't infantile? DON'T throw public tantrums.

You know how we convince "them" that "we" aren't ignorant? DON'T assume you know everything -- or even anything -- about them because of how they react to your tantrum.

You know how we convince "them" that "we" aren't bullies? DON'T call them incapable of exercising a fundamental constitutionally guaranteed human right.

You know how we convince "them" that "we" aren't paranoid clingers? DO drop the siege mentality.

The shooting community is its own worst enemy when it comes to PR, and its shit like this at the core of it. This behavior only appeals to the single demographic that needs NO outreach from us.


If you're worried about another AWB, or mail-order ammo ban, or whatever, and GIVEN that an Obama win already puts us all behind the curve on these fights, we as a group need to STOP making the anti's job easier. Don't act like a goddamn clown, and don't cheer on those among us who do.

Not to be repetitive but how's that strategy been working for the last 40-50 years? While I respect your opinion on the best approach and even agree with some of your thoughts on a personal level, our unfettered access to firearms, ammunition and places to shoot are diminished daily as we "hold the moral high ground" in the face of emotional, groundless accusation and falsehood. The opposition is louder, they draw more attention and invoke more emotion, theirs is obviously a more effective strategy or we wouldn't be having this discussion. Switch your argument for a moment and direct it at the anti-gun crowd, how many of them would agree with or embrace your approach? I think I know the answer because I see their "tantrums", "ignorance", "bullying" "siege mentality" in every one of these conversations including your quaint parenting reprimand.

In a Utopian world we might be able to engage in meaningful dialog grounded in facts without name calling and baseless accusation but that's not this world. In reviewing the state of battle and the effectiveness of various strategies Sun Tzu might advocate adopting that of the enemy as a more effective counter strategy.

The firearms community was well represented in years past with school sanctioned and other youth shooting events, no one thought twice of a boy walking along the side of a road with a shotgun draped over his arm. All the sterling examples of safe and recreational gun ownership conveyed the message you promote and were universally ignored in preference of uninformed emotion and opinion. Not uninformed because no one took the time to send a positive message, uninformed because they just don''t care about or respect anyone's rights or opinions contrary to their own narrow view of the world at large. I don't lobby to diminish or restrict their rights under the Constitution even though I may disagree personally and I don't want to fight with them at all, I want them to have the same level of tolerance for me that I afford them and leave my rights alone.