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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin13 View Post
    The point he's making is that we've been trying the mature adult approach and it gets us nowhere
    As demonstrated by ever-dwindling number of shall-issue states? By SCOTUS ruling that the Second Amendment is a collective right and doesn't affect state or local law? By campaign spending limits being upheld despite First Amendment concerns?

    I think the premise that we've gotten nowhere is crap. It's a mixed bag, but that's life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin13 View Post
    so maybe we need to appeal to what they (by "they" I mean the loud-mouth liberal anti's) understand, emotion and extremes.
    Why? You'll never reach them anyway. Because they're being emotional.

    It's the vast majority of more or less rational people in the middle trying to make sense of the world who matter, and those people -- those VOTERS -- don't want to see more poo flinging. These are the folks who find phrasing like "common sense gun laws" so appealing. They're tired of powerfully emoted bullshit and just want a realistic option that works. That antis have made a strong play to hijack the "reasonable" position is the biggest external challenge we have to face.

    IMO it's emotion and hysterics that lost "us" the election. The Tea Party rode in on an economic mandate in 2010, then immediately switched course and started fighting the culture wars. That looks awfully unfocused and emotional and untrustworthy to the great more or less rational middle. We could have spent the last two years being focused and effective, but we didn't do that, so the election went to the team with the best PR team.

    IMO.
    Last edited by IShouldDoThisAllTheTime; 11-20-2012 at 19:42. Reason: confusing voice inconsistencies, gah, oh well.
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