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At this point I am not certain the kids broke in. Who has a tarp at the ready in the basement. I am thinking kidnapping and homicide......
Last edited by rockhound; 11-28-2012 at 10:18.
Self control: The minds ability to override the body's urge to beat the living sh.. out of some ass.... who desperately deserves it.
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson
Obama, so full of crap it is a miracle Air Force One can even get off the ground,
Should have used an AR.Damn mini 14s, no wonder there was crapload trades/sold off on here over past few months...
Thanks,
R
While I'm totally in the let's not go after the guy defending himself camp, I'm also in the "This guy is a psycho and murdered 2 kids" camp and I'd bet there was no burglary involved either. You don't shoot a home intruder and then not call the cops. His neighbor called the cops after he called them asking about a lawyer THE NEXT DAY. This guy is batshit crazy and most likely killed 2 kids and then decided to try and cover it up as self defense, and not doing a good job of it either.
Also who's going to shoot someone with a rifle in their house and then sit down in your chair and shoot another one, while "wearing" a pistol? I mean, there's not many times I don't have at least one that's easy to access, but I'm not wearing a Holster in the house AND carrying around one of the rifles either. Add into the equation that these 2 kids supposedly broke into his house through a window at Noon? It's just not adding up and I'd bet money that 90% of his statement on that criminal complaint that Newracer posted is BS.
Having grown up less than 50 miles from where this happened, VERY few people are the least bit intimidated by people shooting on their own property. Deer hunting is a religion there and it's not uncommon in the least for people to be shooting in their back yards and such. People in that area are in general extremely comfortable around guns and shooting, so while I take the one lady's statement to the press with a whole block of salt, not just a grain, (because a lot of times people like to amp up their statements for the news crews) I'm guessing people had a LOT of other reasons this guy bothered them than the fact that he shoots regularly on his property.
Last edited by XC700116; 11-27-2012 at 23:57.
Don't think I'm alone in this crowd but I frequently (usually) wear a pistol at home and can reach more than one rifle from where I'm sitting at the moment. Not condemning or supporting the guy until all the facts are in though the age of the criminals is irrelevant IMO.
Last edited by Whistler; 11-28-2012 at 07:06. Reason: spelling
Interesting, I always kinda figure when I'm in the house the multiple guns in multiple rooms thing pretty much covers it. To each their own. And I agree the age of these 2 is completely irrelevant to the situation, but I'm just saying there's a LOT of things that are REALLY fishy about how things went down and especially his statement to the PD.
Last edited by XC700116; 11-28-2012 at 20:39.
While it seems much more tame here, It got pretty heated on another board I'm on with people gloating about "if someone comes into my house they are leaving in a body bag"
Take this however you will but I have what you would consider a decent amount of trigger time, as I'm sure several others here do. Until you have been put into a situation that truly endangers your life, which this 64yr old man was not in, you will not understand the emotions that go through your head. Until you have had to take life you can't even fathom the effect that has on you. I had a hard time coping with things I did against people that were trying to kill me, and conspiring to kill me. I couldn't imagine trying to deal with killing two kids (yes age is relevant) who were unarmed.
This goes to show the lack of training, and discipline by gun owners. I don't blame the gun grabbers one bit for taking this and running with it, because it has been made clear to me by the responses over this throughout the internet that there are many other wack jobs like this that shouldn't own a firearm.
Simply killing someone because they are in your home is not acceptable, that is what we have a Judicial system for. You are not Judge Dredd. If you want your BOL and your COTUS, then you need to embrace all of it, this is not war, combat, or a 3rd world country. You get one shot to eliminate your threat, if you miss, or it doesn't kill them... that doesn't mean continue engaging them once they are no longer engaging you. The threat has been eliminated, if the outcome wasn't what you wanted, too fawking bad.
Aside from that, there is no doubt in my mind this was premeditated. Who starts randomly shooting at legs @ 1pm on Thanksgiving? It could of been anyone... family, friends, neighbor. This old man had a plan, and he executed it. What other foul play may be involved I had no doubt will come out... Innocent people don't drag bodies onto tarps, and into different rooms... wait 25hrs to call a neighbor for a lawyer and STILL didn't call the police.
Last edited by NMB2; 11-28-2012 at 10:18.
Well goodness, no point in having a trial then, you've got it all figured out but I think I'll wait for more facts. While I tend to agree with what I perceive you are communicating please don't presume to tell another what goes through their head, your experience may be very different from someone else.
No point in trial? Pretty sure I expressed the exact opposite of that.
Mmmmmm ... no. I'm pretty sure Whistler is referring to your statements
Until you have been put into a situation that truly endangers your life, which this 64yr old man was not in, you will not understand the emotions that go through your head.it has been made clear to me by the responses over this throughout the internet that there are many other wack jobs like this that shouldn't own a firearm.which indicate you've already assessed the man's life wasn't endangered and that he premeditated a murder and further that many people shouldn't own a firearm. My initial inclination is that this guy broke the law and grotesquely exceeded "self-defense" but I am open to more information and evidence. I think Whistler is simply pointing out that you appear to have already made up your mind on the facts of the case and rendered a verdict with only the sentencing left to be done.there is no doubt in my mind this was premeditated
Last edited by Aloha_Shooter; 11-28-2012 at 15:10. Reason: grammar
Many people should not own firearms, including this old man, and the others that think like him. That is my opinion , and I have a right to it, just as the people that are happy he killed these criminals have a right to that opinion.
At no point was this guys life in danger, this is a fact. This isn't a "what might of happened", it is what did happen. He had the upper hand by knowing exactly where they were, at all times, and firing on unsuspecting targets who he borderline lured into his basement. Then after identifying that they were unarmed and not a threat, murdered them.
He was 100% on the offensive, those teenagers had no idea he was there based off of his own testimony and he just wanted them dead.
I drew my conclusions based off of the mans own personal testimony in his criminal complaint.
Last edited by NMB2; 11-28-2012 at 15:41.
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