This guy stepped over the line...

[SA Friday]

Despite the story's version, I would suspect a death rattle, not a laugh.

So much wrong with this story, then sift it through some bad journalism story telling and you get the outline for a Steven King novel

I think he wrote it already. It was in the book Four Seasons; old guy living alone and killing bums... Ya, close enough. Maybe he's a Nazi hiding out in MN?

[alxone]

well the teens were on drugs but the guy still went beyond self defense (according to the media) . i was not there so i cant say but imho guy should be put in the puzzle factory for a while

"Yes, she had an addiction problem and stuff, but that doesn't mean she deserves to get murdered at 18 years old," Shaeffel said. "I understand they came there to rob them, or whatever, but shoot them in the shoulder and call the cops."

[fitz19d]

Idiots with guns out in force. Heres another in FL. http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/26/us/flo...html?hpt=hp_t3

What happened for sure we don't know but left the scene and didn't report it.

Sounds like slightly stupid circumstances too, started it by telling someone else in essentially a public parking lot to turn down their music (we don't know if politely or not.) Then when they respond in a uncouth manner, he freaks out and opens fire on a car full of people? It mentions making motions to open door not they actually had. Not to mention any sign of this mysterious barrell.

[buffalobo]

Three douchebags eliminated from gene pool.

Big black eye for gun owners and self defense in general.

[Whistler]

Very odd story and with only one side left to tell the tale I wonder will the "real" story ever be known. The tarps, "clean finishing shot", 24 hour lag, etc. don't make sense but doesn't justify breaking in either.

The news on the other hand I could do with a bit less of;

Beside the quotes Alex included these caught my eye; "Crystal Shaeffel walked down the long driveway on Sunday, past the "keep out" sign" & "Neighbors described Byron Smith as a loner who liked to shoot his guns often, intimidating and worrying nearby residents.", “neighbor Lori Williams said she had complained to authorities about the frequent shooting on Smith's property, worrying that children playing outside could be hurt. But deputies had told her and her husband that nothing could be done because his property was outside city limits" Of course "They were just really great people," said Rachel Stauffer, 15. "They could make anyone laugh."

[ANADRILL]

They shouldn't have been robbing in the first place. When one does stupid things, he should expect to reap the the consequeces. Yeah it was a little over the top, but thats the chance one takes when he breaks into someone's house. In the shooter's mind, he had already been broken into numerous times, and if you have ever had vermin/pests you seek to eradicate them. I am sorry for the family's loss, but they are fault for not teaching their kids right from wrong. Let it be a lesson to the nation, that if you break into to someone's house that there is a chance you may not be walking back out that house. They are lucky that they weren't tortured for months and years, then put to death. Honestly, as in the Trayvon case, I have no remorse for the victim/victims.

[fitz19d]

One question I had was assumed robbery. Some comments and things suggested they were on drugs at the time? So perhaps in a meth high or something wondered in. Doesn't negate a castle doctrine type deal as they are intruders regardless. (But Minnesota apparently doesn't have such a law anyways.)


A little over the top Drill? Latest report was that he stated shot the 2nd with the rifle, then retrieved a .22 shot her with that before the execution. The whole 24 hours since it was even reported raises questions like the possibility of something even more nefarious since this is all based on his statements. (Ie maybe they were even lured there.)

[TFOGGER]

The more I think about this, the more it doesn't add up. They know the guy has guns (apparently everyone did, including the cops), and shoots "often", so they go out of their way to break in to his house(past "no trespassing" signs), then rather than take whatever was of value upstairs and bail, they go wandering downstairs in search of the guy? And after he shoots intruder number 1, intruder number 2 continues to move down the stairs to see if she can collect a couple of rounds for herself? This is sounding more and more like some kind of premeditated murder. I'm going to try to continue to follow this to see what comes to light as the investigation proceeds.

[Ronin13]

"I understand they came there to rob them, or whatever, but shoot them in the shoulder and call the cops."

This is what I have issue with- I'm not going to risk my life to try to aim for a wounding shot, I'm going to quickly and as accurately as possible aim for center mass and shoot to eliminate the threat. If the threat ceases but isn't dead, yes, a wounded man will be transferred to police, if they do die from my defense, then so be it, but for an LE agency spokesman to say shoot them non-fatally and call us is just silly. If you shoot, you shouldn't be shooting to kill or wound, you should be shooting to stop the imminent threat.

[Rucker61]

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This is what I have issue with- I'm not going to risk my life to try to aim for a wounding shot, I'm going to quickly and as accurately as possible aim for center mass and shoot to eliminate the threat. If the threat ceases but isn't dead, yes, a wounded man will be transferred to police, if they do die from my defense, then so be it, but for an LE agency spokesman to say shoot them non-fatally and call us is just silly. If you shoot, you shouldn't be shooting to kill or wound, you should be shooting to stop the imminent threat.

I'm with you. A shot to the leg or shoulder could kill while a center of mass shot might just wound. There is no "shoot just to wound" shot. Shoot until the threat is removed.