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    When I was young our house caught fire, and we had an ammo stash, it was really loud, I mean REALLY loud, but none of the firefighters were hurt, or even worried about it.

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    I keep four rounds chambered at once in my shotgun. Magazine tube is nearly the same as the barrel right?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatline View Post
    I do want YOU to find one experienced LEO (several years on the force) who will advocate for leaving loaded guns out around the house.

    I would also like to apologize for hurting your feelings by advocating for personal responsibility in gun safety. (find me that LEO that says it's okay to leave loaded guns around before you retort that)
    DONE! Already posted infact:

    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey Guns View Post
    Maybe...maybe not. Why in the name of all that is holy would you have an unloaded, defensive gun? Count me in the IDIOT category. Any gun I plan to use defensively is ready to go.

    Are you going to be able to "rack" the slide when your weak-side hand is injured? Or when it's busy keeping you from being stabbed or otherwise injured? That 1/2 second might be a lifetime. Alternatively you could train yourself so you feel more comfortable with a loaded gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    I keep four rounds chambered at once in my shotgun. Magazine tube is nearly the same as the barrel right?



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    I was wondering the same thing .. I keep a shotgun with rounds in the tube but not in the chamber ( being I want that clack clack of racking the shotgun as a clue to the bad guy .. I do keep a pistol cocked locked and ready to rock )
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    Oh yeah, the OP and the video! I got sidetracked... That was pretty cool seeing the various tests.

    A few years ago, residents of Gilpin County got a "survey" that asked how many rounds of ammunition each household had stored. They claimed it was for the volunteer firefighters info in case they responded to your address. Like they would respond differently to 500 rounds compared to 2500 rounds? Please....

    Everyone I know either didn't respond or checked "zero" on the survey. Now I don't even feel bad about it.

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    My point is that getting to a firearm takes how much time, but that people wont rack the slide on their firearm that takes a fraction of the time. If you have a gun on you then by all means have a round chambered, but leaving them loaded in your house is asking for trouble. People who are that concerned would have a gun on them, not have to go get one from somewhere else in the house.

    Statistically your house is more likely to catch on fire than be broken into by an armed criminal when you are at home. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen or that you shouldn't prepare for it, but it is statistically extremely rare.

    Now add to that all the kids who accidentally get killed by handguns. When the kids are under ten or so they typically just pull the trigger pointing at themselves or at their friends. They don't mean to shoot but that round chambered is usually the first and only shot fired (and if you are 100% sure that your kids have been taught good gun safety, just remember that all kids do things without thinking).

    Responsible gun ownership should include responsible gun safety, take that how you choose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatline View Post
    My point is that getting to a firearm takes how much time, but that people wont rack the slide on their firearm that takes a fraction of the time. If you have a gun on you then by all means have a round chambered, but leaving them loaded in your house is asking for trouble. People who are that concerned would have a gun on them, not have to go get one from somewhere else in the house.

    Statistically
    your house is more likely to catch on fire than be broken into by an armed criminal when you are at home. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen or that you shouldn't prepare for it, but it is statistically extremely rare.

    Now add to that all the kids who accidentally get killed by handguns. When the kids are under ten or so they typically just pull the trigger pointing at themselves or at their friends. They don't mean to shoot but that round chambered is usually the first and only shot fired (and if you are 100% sure that your kids have been taught good gun safety, just remember that all kids do things without thinking).

    Responsible gun ownership should include responsible gun safety, take that how you choose.
    Agreed that is why my guns are loaded. This Children in the house shit is old and worn. You have kids, you SECURE a gun the best way possible. YET be accessible IF a situation arose you needed it yesterday. They have this thing called Home Invasions, been picking up in popularity the last few years. NO MATTER How Safe You think your neighborhood is. It could very well be the headline on tonight's news.
    Also Please clarify How I am asking for trouble?
    Statistically? More people dial 911 over a dog barking than a woman screaming, statistically.
    Off record most LE's will tell you a gun is useless if it's not loaded.
    You seem to be another gun owner who knows what is better for me than i do. MMMMMMMMMM Where have i heard this shit before?????????? Oh yeah, VPC, Dems, why even on firearm boards. Tell you what, you do what works best for you and your comfort level, I will do and practice, what i know is best for both my wife and I.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jim View Post
    Agreed that is why my guns are loaded. This Children in the house shit is old and worn. You have kids, you SECURE a gun the best way possible. YET be accessible IF a situation arose you needed it yesterday. They have this thing called Home Invasions, been picking up in popularity the last few years. NO MATTER How Safe You think your neighborhood is. It could very well be the headline on tonight's news.
    Also Please clarify How I am asking for trouble?
    Statistically? More people dial 911 over a dog barking than a woman screaming, statistically.
    Off record most LE's will tell you a gun is useless if it's not loaded.
    You seem to be another gun owner who knows what is better for me than i do. MMMMMMMMMM Where have i heard this shit before?????????? Oh yeah, VPC, Dems, why even on firearm boards. Tell you what, you do what works best for you and your comfort level, I will do and practice, what i know is best for both my wife and I.
    Jim is right on here IMHO. I either have a gun on me or within a second or so reach at all times in my home. The ones that are not on me are far out of reach of the 7 year old.

    How am I asking for trouble again?

    Finally, I think most people in general would tell you an unloaded gun is just a hunk of metal. Like a car without fuel is a hunk of metal. <sigh>

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    Great video!

    I'm an idiot too!


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    easy flatline, just because other people don't do it your way doesn't mean their kids are going to blow their or their friends head off.

    whats the next step, having a loaded magazine? a kid over 7 can probably rack the slide on most guns, heck, they might even know how to flip the safety off. what about revolvers? think they can cock the hammer back? oh...but it isn't on a loaded chamber, think they can do it twice?

    what about if you have someone chasing you in your home after they push through the door as you open it thinking it is a neighbor or solicitor or something along those lines? you go running to the nearest gun only to find it isn't loaded. then what? throw it at them just before you take a baseball bat to the side of the face? or what about your wife or teenage kids who know how to use the gun? they are scared shitless and forget to cock the slide or are panicked and can't get it? they keep pulling but nothing happens. that might affect your conscience for a while.

    and if you want to protect your kids, train them, or put the gun in an easy to access but hidden place that only you or you and other trusted adults know about where the kids won't find them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sniper7 View Post
    easy flatline, just because other people don't do it your way doesn't mean their kids are going to blow their or their friends head off.

    whats the next step, having a loaded magazine? a kid over 7 can probably rack the slide on most guns, heck, they might even know how to flip the safety off. what about revolvers? think they can cock the hammer back? oh...but it isn't on a loaded chamber, think they can do it twice?

    what about if you have someone chasing you in your home after they push through the door as you open it thinking it is a neighbor or solicitor or something along those lines? you go running to the nearest gun only to find it isn't loaded. then what? throw it at them just before you take a baseball bat to the side of the face? or what about your wife or teenage kids who know how to use the gun? they are scared shitless and forget to cock the slide or are panicked and can't get it? they keep pulling but nothing happens. that might affect your conscience for a while.

    and if you want to protect your kids, train them, or put the gun in an easy to access but hidden place that only you or you and other trusted adults know about where the kids won't find them.
    I'm telling you that that kids don't always do as they are told. Kids have shot themselves or others, that is fact and you cannot dispute that. Statically the risks associated with leaving an chambered gun unlocked is greater than the risk of armed home invasion.

    Quote Originally Posted by jim View Post
    Agreed that is why my guns are loaded. This Children in the house shit is old and worn. You have kids, you SECURE a gun the best way possible. YET be accessible IF a situation arose you needed it yesterday. They have this thing called Home Invasions, been picking up in popularity the last few years. NO MATTER How Safe You think your neighborhood is. It could very well be the headline on tonight's news.
    Also Please clarify How I am asking for trouble?
    Statistically? More people dial 911 over a dog barking than a woman screaming, statistically.
    Off record most LE's will tell you a gun is useless if it's not loaded.
    You seem to be another gun owner who knows what is better for me than i do. MMMMMMMMMM Where have i heard this shit before?????????? Oh yeah, VPC, Dems, why even on firearm boards. Tell you what, you do what works best for you and your comfort level, I will do and practice, what i know is best for both my wife and I.
    The best way to secure weapons around kids is in a safe with a combo that they do not know and cannot figure out (no number or geometric patterns nor dates or numbers that they know). After you have a way to lock them up you need to educate them about safety, not just the later. Now you know the best way to secure weapons around kids, your welcome. If your saying that you don't want to do that and you want to leave them around then fine, that is your right under colorado law.

    I do want YOU to find one experienced LEO (several years on the force) who will advocate for leaving loaded guns out around the house.

    I would also like to apologize for hurting your feelings by advocating for personal responsibility in gun safety. (find me that LEO that says it's okay to leave loaded guns around before you retort that)

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