How safe is your stored ammo ??

[GilpinGuy]

Agreed that is why my guns are loaded. This Children in the house shit is old and worn. You have kids, you SECURE a gun the best way possible. YET be accessible IF a situation arose you needed it yesterday. They have this thing called Home Invasions, been picking up in popularity the last few years. NO MATTER How Safe You think your neighborhood is. It could very well be the headline on tonight's news.
Also Please clarify How I am asking for trouble?
Statistically? More people dial 911 over a dog barking than a woman screaming, statistically.
Off record most LE's will tell you a gun is useless if it's not loaded.
You seem to be another gun owner who knows what is better for me than i do. MMMMMMMMMM Where have i heard this shit before?????????? Oh yeah, VPC, Dems, why even on firearm boards. Tell you what, you do what works best for you and your comfort level, I will do and practice, what i know is best for both my wife and I.

Jim is right on here IMHO. I either have a gun on me or within a second or so reach at all times in my home. The ones that are not on me are far out of reach of the 7 year old.

How am I asking for trouble again?

Finally, I think most people in general would tell you an unloaded gun is just a hunk of metal. Like a car without fuel is a hunk of metal. <sigh>

[GilpinGuy]

Oh yeah, the OP and the video! I got sidetracked... That was pretty cool seeing the various tests.

A few years ago, residents of Gilpin County got a "survey" that asked how many rounds of ammunition each household had stored. They claimed it was for the volunteer firefighters info in case they responded to your address. Like they would respond differently to 500 rounds compared to 2500 rounds? Please....

Everyone I know either didn't respond or checked "zero" on the survey. Now I don't even feel bad about it.

[islandermyk]

I have my loaded Bulgarian "Lil bitch" beside my bed when I go to sleep with a few loaded mags laying around the house....

.. but I do have a long hair cat that will f*ck sh*t up at any given moment

.. and to stay on topic... Pretty cool vid. Thanks for sharing

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Idiot category for me too... Gun is always chambered and chilling in my OPEN safe at night.

That's right... My safe stays open at night. Does that make me double idiot?

[Flatline]

The only thing you seem to want, is to dictate to me and other gun owners , the only way to be responsible is to have guns unloaded and secure. You fit the "mold" Of an LE who feels you and only you know what is right and safe when it comes to owning guns, unfortunately.
Lucky for me the ones i know in LE feel & think differently. I'd drop names but you probably would be on the phone, in the am, to their Chief trying to jam them up.
IF you read my 1st post you might have realized (Careful Police Observation) there are NO Children in our home. NEVER, Unless accompanied by an adult. My guns are, once again loaded and accessible by me or my wife at a moments notice. Perhaps you think dialing 911 and wait, vs me or any gun owner IF a Threat was present, defend our self with a.................loaded gun, is the way to go.
Once again you have your beliefs and i have mine. It does appear i am not the only "Idiot" who thinks the same.

I believe your interpretation and mine are different regarding guns around the house. i don't have them casually laying about like the tv remote. They are accessible but out of sight.
The one point we agree on is Education of kids around firearms. It would be more conducive to teach firearm safety / awareness in school instead of programing them how bad guns are.

Your right, I will want names and departments, otherwise it's just as reliable as any other hearsay on the internet. (and no I don't expect you to be able/willing to do so, and i won't discount you for that)

And I did realize that you don't have kids from your posts, and your the one who said that 'the shit about kids being in the house is getting worn', then criticized about how long it would take to get to the gun if it was locked up insinuating that if you do have kids its better to have your guns out then locked up.

By the way kids find shit, they look. When I was a kid I found my Christmas presents early, the candy stashes, and unfortunately some of my parents' adult toys. Even if you hide them well kids will find your guns given enough time (IDK if you have grandkids or what ever that come over).

Jim is right on here IMHO. I either have a gun on me or within a second or so reach at all times in my home. The ones that are not on me are far out of reach of the 7 year old.

How am I asking for trouble again?

Finally, I think most people in general would tell you an unloaded gun is just a hunk of metal. Like a car without fuel is a hunk of metal. <sigh>

Can your seven year old move chairs and climb? Please tell me of this mysterious quick access solution that you have come up with that a kid couldn't figure out.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Your right, I will want names and departments, otherwise it's just as reliable as any other hearsay on the internet. (and no I don't expect you to be able/willing to do so, and i won't discount you for that)

And I did realize that you don't have kids from your posts, and your the one who said that 'the shit about kids being in the house is getting worn', then criticized about how long it would take to get to the gun if it was locked up insinuating that if you do have kids its better to have your guns out then locked up.

By the way kids find shit, they look. When I was a kid I found my Christmas presents early, the candy stashes, and unfortunately some of my parents' adult toys. Even if you hide them well kids will find your guns given enough time (IDK if you have grandkids or what ever that come over).



Can your seven year old move chairs and climb? Please tell me of this mysterious quick access solution that you have come up with that a kid couldn't figure out.

His seven year old is a smart cookie. I'm sure his kid knows better.

[GilpinGuy]

Can your seven year old move chairs and climb? Please tell me of this mysterious quick access solution that you have come up with that a kid couldn't figure out.

1) Hip
2) Nightstand when sleeping
3) Locked bathroom door when I'm showering, etc.
4) Locked in a safe (I almost always have at least one gun NOT in the safe)

You're right - the nightstand is within reach of the 7 yo. Any more questions?

I suppose the 7 yo could stalk into my bedroom when I'm asleep and take my pistol and do bad things before my wife, my dog, or I know he's there. It's POSSIBLE. But it's much more possible that a fucking asshole will break into my house. Nice try bro.

[Flatline]

1) Hip
2) Nightstand when sleeping
3) Locked bathroom door when I'm showering, etc.
4) Locked in a safe (I almost always have at least one gun NOT in the safe)

You're right - the nightstand is within reach of the 7 yo. Any more questions?

I suppose the 7 yo could stalk into my bedroom when I'm asleep and take my pistol and do bad things before my wife, my dog, or I know he's there. It's POSSIBLE. But it's much more possible that a fucking asshole will break into my house. Nice try bro.

Every parent believed that until they were left grieving from a tragedy.

Like I said before, statistically it isn't more likely that someone would break into you house while you are there than for a gun tragedy to occur.

[Bailey Guns]

My youngest 7 year old is 27 now and shoots guns for a living. He's probably safe around my loaded guns. My other "child" is 29 and lives out of state. He's also been handling guns since he was about 5. Education = Safety when it comes to guns.

Flatline, you're trying for a one-size-fits-all, draconian solution that doesn't necessarily apply to others. And your "stupid" remark was offensive and stupid. That's why you're catching so much grief.

I advocate leaving loaded, attended guns around the house for some, not all, people. Myself included. I spent almost 15 years between 2 major metro-area departments. You want my badge number, too? BTW...cops are generally some of the last people from whom you should elicit gun advice. Most of them only carry a gun because it's a job requirement. Most of them only shoot that gun because it's a job requirement. And many of them can't shoot for shit.

[Bailey Guns]

Furthermore, Flatline, you're full of shit when it comes to your made-up statistics regarding home invasions vs gun accidents. The following is from a United States Dept of Justice report:

Highlights

*An estimated 3.7 million burglaries occurred each year on average from 2003 to 2007.
*A household member was present in roughly 1 million burglaries and became victims of violent crimes in 266,560 burglaries.
*Simple assault (15%) was the most common form of violence when a resident was home and violence occurred. Robbery (7%) and rape (3%) were less likely to occur when a household member was present and violence occurred.
*Offenders were known to their victims in 65% of violent burglaries; offenders were strangers in 28%.
*Overall, 61% of offenders were unarmed when violence occurred during a burglary while a resident was present. About 12% of all households violently burglarized while someone was home faced an offender armed with a firearm.
*Households residing in single family units and higher density structures of 10 or more units were least likely to be burglarized (8 per 1,000 households) while a household member was present.
*Serious injury accounted for 9% and minor injury accounted for 36% of injuries sustained by household members who were home and experienced violence during a completed burglary.

Source: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/ascii/vdhb.txt

The latest sources I could find (in a VERY brief search) revealed that 75 children aged 14 and under died from firearms accidents in 2005. Now, I'm no math major, but I'm pretty sure...in fact, I'm almost certain...that 266,560 is > 75.

I will concede 75 is too many. But statistically, your made up statistics are stupid.