How safe is your stored ammo ??

[alxone]

wow somebody pissed of B.G. first thing in the morning .
if i hadn't lost all my guns and ammo in the gun eating lake , id keep my strippers , en blocs and mags full and be ready to rack a round any second . i have found that nothing makes people think twice like the sound of a round going into the chamber or a hammer being cocked .but like i said that is if all my toys were above the water line

oh yeah , carl : its not the scuba lessons its finding that crazy lake thats the problem . i think you need a witchdoctor or voodoo priestess to find it

[Bailey Guns]

I beginning to think that maybe you're all full of shit and you didn't really loose any guns or ammo in this mysterious lake. At any rate, I hope you didn't have a round chambered when your gun fell overboard.

BTW: racking the slide is a target indicator. Just another reason it should already be done.

[alxone]

but what about the babies ! save the babies !

[Bailey Guns]

I don't even like kids...

[alxone]

ha! i knew it ! you moved up to the hills just to keep the kids off your lawn !

[Goodburbon]

Idiot here.

My kids have access to loaded guns...Nothing hidden, as has been said kids will find it.

Education, education, education... All they have to do is ask and I'll allow them to FF any gun they choose. The 3YO was tested yesterday. I left my g19 on a chair (unloaded for the test). The 3yo walks up with his toy pistol in his hand. He says "dads gun, hot, don't touch" and walks away. A few days ago my 7yo asked to see the "sniper rifle" so it prompted a lesson. I always make time to show him anything he wants to know.. For christmas this year we're building him an AR.

[Great-Kazoo]

It comes down to EDUCATION AND PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY .
I'd venture to "guess" 100% of parents teach their kids about the "dangers" of drugs. Out of that 100% how many teach the same age groups about firearms?
Regarding the LE question and naming them. My family (not extended) but immediate has a combined total of 120 years LE, city, state & federal. I have yet to have one of them say You're an idiot or Stupid for having a loaded firearm in the house. We all agree, like you secure from prying hands / eyes is better than out in the open. I will not put an item that has the potential to save a family members life behind any thing that impedes anyone's fast access to them.
IF I followed your line of thinking, which you so staunchly defend answer me this. Where are your kitchen knives, forks & spoons? If i follow the line of thinking you advocate it would mean EVERYTHING that has the potential to cause harm / be fatal to children is under lock and key, makes sense to me. Unless of course you feel a butcher or carving knife presents no danger for kids.

FWIW: For BG I love kids. providing they are someone's else, or do not stay too long at our house.

[HoneyBadger]

Maybe...maybe not. Why in the name of all that is holy would you have an unloaded, defensive gun? Count me in the IDIOT category. Any gun I plan to use defensively is ready to go.

Are you going to be able to "rack" the slide when your weak-side hand is injured? Or when it's busy keeping you from being stabbed or otherwise injured? That 1/2 second might be a lifetime. Alternatively you could train yourself so you feel more comfortable with a loaded gun.

Good point about the possibility of having to protect yourself with your weak side hand while manipulating your weapon with your strong hand.

I don't keep my Glocks chambered if they are outside of a holster. If I am carrying a glock on me (in a holster) it is chambered. One of the big things I practice is 1 handed operation. If I'm carrying, I always have a belt or pocket or some improvised item to rack the slide on. If the gun has a manual safety and is being used for personal protection or self defense, it is absolutely chambered.

But lets remember here: everyone has different levels of comfort and training and even an unchambered .22short pistol is better than nothing.

[Flatline]

Furthermore, Flatline, you're full of shit when it comes to your made-up statistics regarding home invasions vs gun accidents. The following is from a United States Dept of Justice report:



The latest sources I could find (in a VERY brief search) revealed that 75 children aged 14 and under died from firearms accidents in 2005. Now, I'm no math major, but I'm pretty sure...in fact, I'm almost certain...that 266,560 is > 75.

I will concede 75 is too many. But statistically, your made up statistics are stupid.

Your research was too brief and you should read the entire document. It goes on to state that few of those are what you are preparing those. Most of those are invasions by retaliatory SOs, rival gang members, etc. If you are a cop you would know that from you experience as well. And the tragedies that can occur is not just limited to kids, how many SIs and HIs have guns on them that they acquired from someone they knew and weren't locked up?

Oh, and 75 is wrong, just over 3000 juveniles die per year from firearms.

My youngest 7 year old is 27 now and shoots guns for a living. He's probably safe around my loaded guns. My other "child" is 29 and lives out of state. He's also been handling guns since he was about 5. Education = Safety when it comes to guns.

Flatline, you're trying for a one-size-fits-all, draconian solution that doesn't necessarily apply to others. And your "stupid" remark was offensive and stupid. That's why you're catching so much grief.

I advocate leaving loaded, attended guns around the house for some, not all, people. Myself included. I spent almost 15 years between 2 major metro-area departments. You want my badge number, too? BTW...cops are generally some of the last people from whom you should elicit gun advice. Most of them only carry a gun because it's a job requirement. Most of them only shoot that gun because it's a job requirement. And many of them can't shoot for shit.

I don't need a badge number, but a name and department would be a start. And why do you think most cops don't advocate for everyone having a gun when they personally dealt with the crime that you want to protect yourself from?

It comes down to EDUCATION AND PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY .
I'd venture to "guess" 100% of parents teach their kids about the "dangers" of drugs. Out of that 100% how many teach the same age groups about firearms?
Regarding the LE question and naming them. My family (not extended) but immediate has a combined total of 120 years LE, city, state & federal. I have yet to have one of them say You're an idiot or Stupid for having a loaded firearm in the house. We all agree, like you secure from prying hands / eyes is better than out in the open. I will not put an item that has the potential to save a family members life behind any thing that impedes anyone's fast access to them.
IF I followed your line of thinking, which you so staunchly defend answer me this. Where are your kitchen knives, forks & spoons? If i follow the line of thinking you advocate it would mean EVERYTHING that has the potential to cause harm / be fatal to children is under lock and key, makes sense to me. Unless of course you feel a butcher or carving knife presents no danger for kids.

FWIW: For BG I love kids. providing they are someone's else, or do not stay too long at our house.

No, the mechanisms involved in a knife are very different compared to firearms. Knives cause immediate pain before causing life threatening injury. Guns produce fatal wounds before the infliction of pain indicates harm. Furthermore the psychosomatics of knives are different as well, as they are always sharp and cannot be make 'safe'. Guns are perceived to be able to be made 'safe' by kids.

To turn this into laymans speach for you, pediatric knife injuries are usually minor while pediatric gun wounds are usually fatal or debilitating.

[HoneyBadger]

No, the mechanisms involved in a knife are very different compared to firearms. Knives cause immediate pain before causing life threatening injury.

Obviously you don't know how to handle a knife...