How safe is your stored ammo ??

[Ashton]

You mean hollywood lied to me?!?!?!

[AK47 Ranger]

is being at the bottom of chatfield safe enough?

[Vanniek71]

No, the mechanisms involved in a knife are very different compared to firearms. Knives cause immediate pain before causing life threatening injury. Guns produce fatal wounds before the infliction of pain indicates harm. Furthermore the psychosomatics of knives are different as well, as they are always sharp and cannot be make 'safe'. Guns are perceived to be able to be made 'safe' by kids.

To turn this into laymans speach for you, pediatric knife injuries are usually minor while pediatric gun wounds are usually fatal or debilitating.

if a knife is used right, the person being cut usually doesn't even know they have been cut.....I just was in a class, there is a 90% chance of you surviving a gunshot wound if care is given for the gunshot wound in a appropriate amount of time (I can't remember exact timeframe but I think it was within 5 minutes) On the other hand, 85% of the people that recieved knife wounds that were treated in the same amount of time died..........

[ben4372]

It happens that quick. Each to his or her own, me they are loaded. I do not need to justify my actions to you or anyone else. You prefer unloaded good for you.
FWIW: i also carry hot too.

why wouldn't you?

[Bailey Guns]

Your research was too brief and you should read the entire document. It goes on to state that few of those are what you are preparing those. Most of those are invasions by retaliatory SOs, rival gang members, etc. If you are a cop you would know that from you experience as well. And the tragedies that can occur is not just limited to kids, how many SIs and HIs have guns on them that they acquired from someone they knew and weren't locked up?

Oh, I see. Now we have conditions. What the hell difference does it make? If I were a woman and had a psycho ex-boyfriend who invaded my home and killed me it doesn't matter?

Reading further into the DOJ report we find this:

One or more household members knew the offenders in some manner in 65% of the 266,560 burglaries that took place while someone was present and experienced violence (table 17). Overall, household members knew approximately a third of these offenders as intimates (current or former) (31%), or relatives, well-known individuals, or household acquaintances (34%). A stranger perpetrated the violence in 28% of households burglarized while someone was home and violence occurred.

So, according to my calculator, that equals 74,636.8 home invasions occurred where the invader was a stranger and where violence was committed against an occupant of the home.

Oh, and 75 is wrong, just over 3000 juveniles die per year from firearms.

That's funny. Because I just did a query at the CDC's website that tells me that 606 people, of all ages, died from firearms accidents nationwide in 2010. So I seriously doubt your 3000 number is anywhere close to being correct. What I did find is a number very close to 3000 (approx 2947) from various leftist, anti-gun "save the children" websites. This is the number of children, aged 0-19, that were killed by firearms under all circumstances...homicide, suicide, etc. I'm sure there were some gang-related deaths, and other non-accidental deaths in that number as well. And half of the approx 3000 number was in the 18-19 age group, the other half was 0-17. In my world 18 and 19 years of age = adult...not child. Sorry...your numbers don't add up.

I don't need a badge number, but a name and department would be a start. And why do you think most cops don't advocate for everyone having a gun when they personally dealt with the crime that you want to protect yourself from?

You don't need that information. Why don't you tell me about your law enforcement experience. I find it hilarious when people want to tell me what I should or shouldn't know about being a cop when they never were and don't have a clue what it takes to do the job. It has no bearing on your bullshit statistics. Furthermore, most cops I worked with DO advocate for private gun ownership and training. You obviously know dick about being a cop.

No, the mechanisms involved in a knife are very different compared to firearms. Knives cause immediate pain before causing life threatening injury. Guns produce fatal wounds before the infliction of pain indicates harm. Furthermore the psychosomatics of knives are different as well, as they are always sharp and cannot be make 'safe'. Guns are perceived to be able to be made 'safe' by kids.

To turn this into laymans speach for you, pediatric knife injuries are usually minor while pediatric gun wounds are usually fatal or debilitating.

I don't necessarily buy this, either. And that's why many of us have made the statement re: kids and guns that EDUCATION = SAFETY. That's part of the goal...to teach the kid that firearms are dangerous and to handle them properly. But thanks for putting it into simple terms us idiots and stupid people can understand.

To sum it up, let's assume your number of 3000 is correct. It's not, but let's assume it is. Explain to me how 3,000 is greater than 74,636.8 because I'm just dying to learn how to do this "new math". I'll remind you of what you said:

Statically the risks associated with leaving an chambered gun unlocked is greater than the risk of armed home invasion.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Oh, I see. Now we have conditions. What the hell difference does it make? If I were a woman and had a psycho ex-boyfriend who invaded my home and killed me it doesn't matter?

Reading further into the DOJ report we find this:



So, according to my calculator, that equals 74,636.8 home invasions occurred where the invader was a stranger and where violence was committed against an occupant of the home.



That's funny. Because I just did a query at the CDC's website that tells me that 606 people, of all ages, died from firearms accidents nationwide in 2010. So I seriously doubt your 3000 number is anywhere close to being correct. What I did find is a number very close to 3000 (approx 2947) from various leftist, anti-gun "save the children" websites. This is the number of children, aged 0-19, that were killed by firearms under all circumstances...homicide, suicide, etc. I'm sure there were some gang-related deaths, and other non-accidental deaths in that number as well. And half of the approx 3000 number was in the 18-19 age group, the other half was 0-17. In my world 18 and 19 years of age = adult...not child. Sorry...your numbers don't add up.




You don't need that information. Why don't you tell me about your law enforcement experience. I find it hilarious when people want to tell me what I should or shouldn't know about being a cop when they never were and don't have a clue what it takes to do the job. It has no bearing on your bullshit statistics. Furthermore, most cops I worked with DO advocate for private gun ownership and training. You obviously know dick about being a cop.



I don't necessarily buy this, either. And that's why many of us have made the statement re: kids and guns that EDUCATION = SAFETY. That's part of the goal...to teach the kid that firearms are dangerous and to handle them properly. But thanks for putting it into simple terms us idiots and stupid people can understand.

To sum it up, let's assume your number of 3000 is correct. It's not, but let's assume it is. Explain to me how 3,000 is greater than 74,636.8 because I'm just dying to learn how to do this "new math". I'll remind you of what you said:

Please tell me you're coming to the BBQ/Range day.... I need to hug you for posting this awesomeness.....

[Bailey Guns]

Well, hell. Nobody told me there was gonna be hugs.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Well, hell. Nobody told me there was gonna be hugs.

Hot Dogs, Burgers, Fried Turkey, Smoked Beef Briskit, "Cofi's World Famous Potatoe Salad", and Josh's Girly Green Stuff too!

[Great-Kazoo]

I don't need a badge number, but a name and department would be a start. And why do you think most cops don't advocate for everyone having a gun when they personally dealt with the crime that you want to protect yourself from?

And your pedigree is??????? The only thing i see if i actually gave out said info, would be you calling the PD or based upon your "mentality" Internal Affairs telling them they have le's in their dept unfit for duty. I have run in to cops like you before. It's ok for me, i'm a cop but not ok for you because you're not. Who i "know" on the job and what they have told me is what i have said already. Your attitude regarding what I or anyone else chooses to do with their gun is fucking insane.
I know you're the guy writing citations for the trash cans left out or snow not removed in a timely manner.
You and the other flag burning members here, make a great couple. Anti-gun, Pro Obama IDIOTS instilling your belief system on everyone else. Off base perhaps, however that is how you come across.
I AM A COP AND I KNOW BETTER, THAN YOU CIVILIANS, WHEN IT COMES TO GUNS

Most LE's believe you should be armed and able to protect yourself, LE's are Reactive, Not Proactive. You don't sit in front of someones house waiting for a crime to happen. You respond after someone calls 911.
You, who the hell knows what you do, based on your attitude, nothing positive in to community.

[Great-Kazoo]

Well, hell. Nobody told me there was gonna be hugs.

There's gonna be hugs i might change my schedule and show up. Then again with all the Idiots who have loaded guns who knows????????????????