How safe is your stored ammo ??

[Irving]

I keep four rounds chambered at once in my shotgun. Magazine tube is nearly the same as the barrel right?



Right?

[Flatline]

My point is that getting to a firearm takes how much time, but that people wont rack the slide on their firearm that takes a fraction of the time. If you have a gun on you then by all means have a round chambered, but leaving them loaded in your house is asking for trouble. People who are that concerned would have a gun on them, not have to go get one from somewhere else in the house.

Statistically your house is more likely to catch on fire than be broken into by an armed criminal when you are at home. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen or that you shouldn't prepare for it, but it is statistically extremely rare.

Now add to that all the kids who accidentally get killed by handguns. When the kids are under ten or so they typically just pull the trigger pointing at themselves or at their friends. They don't mean to shoot but that round chambered is usually the first and only shot fired (and if you are 100% sure that your kids have been taught good gun safety, just remember that all kids do things without thinking).

Responsible gun ownership should include responsible gun safety, take that how you choose.

[Tinelement]

Great video!

I'm an idiot too!

[sniper7]

easy flatline, just because other people don't do it your way doesn't mean their kids are going to blow their or their friends head off.

whats the next step, having a loaded magazine? a kid over 7 can probably rack the slide on most guns, heck, they might even know how to flip the safety off. what about revolvers? think they can cock the hammer back? oh...but it isn't on a loaded chamber, think they can do it twice?

what about if you have someone chasing you in your home after they push through the door as you open it thinking it is a neighbor or solicitor or something along those lines? you go running to the nearest gun only to find it isn't loaded. then what? throw it at them just before you take a baseball bat to the side of the face? or what about your wife or teenage kids who know how to use the gun? they are scared shitless and forget to cock the slide or are panicked and can't get it? they keep pulling but nothing happens. that might affect your conscience for a while.

and if you want to protect your kids, train them, or put the gun in an easy to access but hidden place that only you or you and other trusted adults know about where the kids won't find them.

[sniper7]

Couple on the nightstand, along w/ loaded REM870 and AR-15 under the heavenly sleep number bed.

soo...whats your number?

[Great-Kazoo]

My point is that getting to a firearm takes how much time, but that people wont rack the slide on their firearm that takes a fraction of the time. If you have a gun on you then by all means have a round chambered, but leaving them loaded in your house is asking for trouble. People who are that concerned would have a gun on them, not have to go get one from somewhere else in the house.

Statistically your house is more likely to catch on fire than be broken into by an armed criminal when you are at home. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen or that you shouldn't prepare for it, but it is statistically extremely rare.

Now add to that all the kids who accidentally get killed by handguns. When the kids are under ten or so they typically just pull the trigger pointing at themselves or at their friends. They don't mean to shoot but that round chambered is usually the first and only shot fired (and if you are 100% sure that your kids have been taught good gun safety, just remember that all kids do things without thinking).

Responsible gun ownership should include responsible gun safety, take that how you choose.

Agreed that is why my guns are loaded. This Children in the house shit is old and worn. You have kids, you SECURE a gun the best way possible. YET be accessible IF a situation arose you needed it yesterday. They have this thing called Home Invasions, been picking up in popularity the last few years. NO MATTER How Safe You think your neighborhood is. It could very well be the headline on tonight's news.
Also Please clarify How I am asking for trouble?
Statistically? More people dial 911 over a dog barking than a woman screaming, statistically.
Off record most LE's will tell you a gun is useless if it's not loaded.
You seem to be another gun owner who knows what is better for me than i do. MMMMMMMMMM Where have i heard this shit before?????????? Oh yeah, VPC, Dems, why even on firearm boards. Tell you what, you do what works best for you and your comfort level, I will do and practice, what i know is best for both my wife and I.

[Flatline]

easy flatline, just because other people don't do it your way doesn't mean their kids are going to blow their or their friends head off.

whats the next step, having a loaded magazine? a kid over 7 can probably rack the slide on most guns, heck, they might even know how to flip the safety off. what about revolvers? think they can cock the hammer back? oh...but it isn't on a loaded chamber, think they can do it twice?

what about if you have someone chasing you in your home after they push through the door as you open it thinking it is a neighbor or solicitor or something along those lines? you go running to the nearest gun only to find it isn't loaded. then what? throw it at them just before you take a baseball bat to the side of the face? or what about your wife or teenage kids who know how to use the gun? they are scared shitless and forget to cock the slide or are panicked and can't get it? they keep pulling but nothing happens. that might affect your conscience for a while.

and if you want to protect your kids, train them, or put the gun in an easy to access but hidden place that only you or you and other trusted adults know about where the kids won't find them.

I'm telling you that that kids don't always do as they are told. Kids have shot themselves or others, that is fact and you cannot dispute that. Statically the risks associated with leaving an chambered gun unlocked is greater than the risk of armed home invasion.

Agreed that is why my guns are loaded. This Children in the house shit is old and worn. You have kids, you SECURE a gun the best way possible. YET be accessible IF a situation arose you needed it yesterday. They have this thing called Home Invasions, been picking up in popularity the last few years. NO MATTER How Safe You think your neighborhood is. It could very well be the headline on tonight's news.
Also Please clarify How I am asking for trouble?
Statistically? More people dial 911 over a dog barking than a woman screaming, statistically.
Off record most LE's will tell you a gun is useless if it's not loaded.
You seem to be another gun owner who knows what is better for me than i do. MMMMMMMMMM Where have i heard this shit before?????????? Oh yeah, VPC, Dems, why even on firearm boards. Tell you what, you do what works best for you and your comfort level, I will do and practice, what i know is best for both my wife and I.

The best way to secure weapons around kids is in a safe with a combo that they do not know and cannot figure out (no number or geometric patterns nor dates or numbers that they know). After you have a way to lock them up you need to educate them about safety, not just the later. Now you know the best way to secure weapons around kids, your welcome. If your saying that you don't want to do that and you want to leave them around then fine, that is your right under colorado law.

I do want YOU to find one experienced LEO (several years on the force) who will advocate for leaving loaded guns out around the house.

I would also like to apologize for hurting your feelings by advocating for personal responsibility in gun safety. (find me that LEO that says it's okay to leave loaded guns around before you retort that)

[clublights]

I do want YOU to find one experienced LEO (several years on the force) who will advocate for leaving loaded guns out around the house.

I would also like to apologize for hurting your feelings by advocating for personal responsibility in gun safety. (find me that LEO that says it's okay to leave loaded guns around before you retort that)

DONE! Already posted infact:

Maybe...maybe not. Why in the name of all that is holy would you have an unloaded, defensive gun? Count me in the IDIOT category. Any gun I plan to use defensively is ready to go.

Are you going to be able to "rack" the slide when your weak-side hand is injured? Or when it's busy keeping you from being stabbed or otherwise injured? That 1/2 second might be a lifetime. Alternatively you could train yourself so you feel more comfortable with a loaded gun.

Mouth meet foot ?

I keep four rounds chambered at once in my shotgun. Magazine tube is nearly the same as the barrel right?



Right?

I was wondering the same thing .. I keep a shotgun with rounds in the tube but not in the chamber ( being I want that clack clack of racking the shotgun as a clue to the bad guy .. I do keep a pistol cocked locked and ready to rock )

[Great-Kazoo]

I'm telling you that that kids don't always do as they are told. Kids have shot themselves or others, that is fact and you cannot dispute that. Statically the risks associated with leaving an chambered gun unlocked is greater than the risk of armed home invasion.



The best way to secure weapons around kids is in a safe with a combo that they do not know and cannot figure out (no number or geometric patterns nor dates or numbers that they know). After you have a way to lock them up you need to educate them about safety, not just the later. Now you know the best way to secure weapons around kids, your welcome. If your saying that you don't want to do that and you want to leave them around then fine, that is your right under colorado law.

I do want YOU to find one experienced LEO (several years on the force) who will advocate for leaving loaded guns out around the house.
My Late Brother 23 yrs, not counting previous 8yrs attached to Attorney Generals office.

I would also like to apologize for hurting your feelings by advocating for personal responsibility in gun safety. (find me that LEO that says it's okay to leave loaded guns around before you retort that)

The only thing you seem to want, is to dictate to me and other gun owners , the only way to be responsible is to have guns unloaded and secure. You fit the "mold" Of an LE who feels you and only you know what is right and safe when it comes to owning guns, unfortunately.
Lucky for me the ones i know in LE feel & think differently. I'd drop names but you probably would be on the phone, in the am, to their Chief trying to jam them up.
IF you read my 1st post you might have realized (Careful Police Observation) there are NO Children in our home. NEVER, Unless accompanied by an adult. My guns are, once again loaded and accessible by me or my wife at a moments notice. Perhaps you think dialing 911 and wait, vs me or any gun owner IF a Threat was present, defend our self with a.................loaded gun, is the way to go.
Once again you have your beliefs and i have mine. It does appear i am not the only "Idiot" who thinks the same.

I believe your interpretation and mine are different regarding guns around the house. i don't have them casually laying about like the tv remote. They are accessible but out of sight.
The one point we agree on is Education of kids around firearms. It would be more conducive to teach firearm safety / awareness in school instead of programing them how bad guns are.

[brianakell]

It's nice to know that if you wanted to build an "ammo bunker" basically all you need is two layers of 5/8" sheetrock to contain projectiles ( tho in most cases 1 would do .. the second is the backup)

I knew that they would not shoot of like inside of a chamber of a weapon but I didn't think they would still be so weak as to not even punch thru bunker gear at 15 feet.

Really makes me feel better living in an apartment knowing that it's rather unlikey to harm others. now I can up my ammo supply here

I wonder if the ammo is stored in a " standard" ammo can and subjected to fire what would happen ?

Would the contained primer ignitions just blow the seals out on the ammo or would it blow a hole in the side ? ( would the mythbusters take this on to test?)

As to the loaded weapon and cook off.. the first warning in the video says it will fire as if you pulled the trigger. I don't think many of us keep more then one or two loaded and ready so the safety is a factor but I think that the ammo in the mag would cook off first ( the chamber providing a bit insulation to slow down the cook off) preventing the weapon from cycling (in an semi/full auto I suppose a revolver has X number of chambers but only one barrel could make for an interesting test .. what abotu the other X number of chambers not inline with the barrel at that moment) so that only one round would be a danger ( per weapon). I'm ok with one round being a danger compared to a couple thousand rounds in storage ( pretty good odds I say)

Little dents in the can. Was 9 or 45 ammo in a 50cal can. Fully engulfed for a couple hours. Can was probably close is not completely full