How safe is your stored ammo ??

[alxone]

There's gonna be hugs i might change my schedule and show up. Then again with all the Idiots who have loaded guns who knows????????????????

if i didnt have to work id be all over it and i would be happy to hang out with a bunch for armed people , just one less thing for me to worry about .

[Bailey Guns]

There's gonna be hugs i might change my schedule and show up. Then again with all the Idiots who have loaded guns who knows????????????????

Ohh...that's a good point. Maybe Flatline will be there to make us all statistically safe.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Everything Flatline says makes me think of this...

[Flatline]

Oh, I see. Now we have conditions. What the hell difference does it make? If I were a woman and had a psycho ex-boyfriend who invaded my home and killed me it doesn't matter?

Reading further into the DOJ report we find this:



So, according to my calculator, that equals 74,636.8 home invasions occurred where the invader was a stranger and where violence was committed against an occupant of the home.



That's funny. Because I just did a query at the CDC's website that tells me that 606 people, of all ages, died from firearms accidents nationwide in 2010. So I seriously doubt your 3000 number is anywhere close to being correct. What I did find is a number very close to 3000 (approx 2947) from various leftist, anti-gun "save the children" websites. This is the number of children, aged 0-19, that were killed by firearms under all circumstances...homicide, suicide, etc. I'm sure there were some gang-related deaths, and other non-accidental deaths in that number as well. And half of the approx 3000 number was in the 18-19 age group, the other half was 0-17. In my world 18 and 19 years of age = adult...not child. Sorry...your numbers don't add up.




You don't need that information. Why don't you tell me about your law enforcement experience. I find it hilarious when people want to tell me what I should or shouldn't know about being a cop when they never were and don't have a clue what it takes to do the job. It has no bearing on your bullshit statistics. Furthermore, most cops I worked with DO advocate for private gun ownership and training. You obviously know dick about being a cop.



I don't necessarily buy this, either. And that's why many of us have made the statement re: kids and guns that EDUCATION = SAFETY. That's part of the goal...to teach the kid that firearms are dangerous and to handle them properly. But thanks for putting it into simple terms us idiots and stupid people can understand.

To sum it up, let's assume your number of 3000 is correct. It's not, but let's assume it is. Explain to me how 3,000 is greater than 74,636.8 because I'm just dying to learn how to do this "new math". I'll remind you of what you said:

By the way, that is 3000 killed, how many people are killed from the home invasions. And just because someone does not know you who breaks into your home doesn't mean that that person didn't precipitate an attack. Rival gang members don't know each other and the majority of the remainder of those statistics. And I'm including SIs and HIs in my numbers of dead kids since they wouldn't have otherwise had access to a gun. Also as I stated earlier, kids are not the only risk being accounted for, they are just one of them.

And I didn't ask for cops who advocate for gun ownership, I asked you to provide a cop who advocates for people to keep guns loaded with a round in the chamber around the house. Two VERY different things.

I don't need a badge number, but a name and department would be a start. And why do you think most cops don't advocate for everyone having a gun when they personally dealt with the crime that you want to protect yourself from?

And your pedigree is??????? The only thing i see if i actually gave out said info, would be you calling the PD or based upon your "mentality" Internal Affairs telling them they have le's in their dept unfit for duty. I have run in to cops like you before. It's ok for me, i'm a cop but not ok for you because you're not. Who i "know" on the job and what they have told me is what i have said already. Your attitude regarding what I or anyone else chooses to do with their gun is fucking insane.
I know you're the guy writing citations for the trash cans left out or snow not removed in a timely manner.
You and the other flag burning members here, make a great couple. Anti-gun, Pro Obama IDIOTS instilling your belief system on everyone else. Off base perhaps, however that is how you come across.
I AM A COP AND I KNOW BETTER, THAN YOU CIVILIANS, WHEN IT COMES TO GUNS

Most LE's believe you should be armed and able to protect yourself, LE's are Reactive, Not Proactive. You don't sit in front of someones house waiting for a crime to happen. You respond after someone calls 911.
You, who the hell knows what you do, based on your attitude, nothing positive in to community.

Being a medic and doing rescue. I'm not using that to reinforce my claims, though you'll probably love that I do both public and department education on this stuff. I would say I do some positive stuff for the community, but maybe you do more locking up some lady for having joint on her and giving out tickets for running stop signs. That is assuming your patrol and not a jailer or sworn court guard.

On that note, you do know that romney passed more anti gun legislation when he was the governor of massachusets than obama has in the white house right? If your light headed and have chest pain now I would advise you to call 911, I don't work windsor or anywhere else up north so you won't have to worry about me showing up.

[clublights]

Ok Time out Kids... all of you STFU. This is my thread so I'm going to throw a bitch fit on this whole damn thing.

Flatline..
You have been provided with " A cop that advocates keeping loaded weapons around the house" Bailey Guns is a retired LEO with over 15 years in uniform. is that not good enough for you ?

You expect us to name officers and departments??? Dude this is the god damn internet. I won;t even give you MY name.. you have no reason to know it unless we have a deal on the trading post. I won't give anyone my name on here unless there is a reason. and so you can do.. whatever the hell it is you think your going to do with said name/dept. is well.... not gunna happen.

Look your entitled to your opinion on the safe keeping of weapons in a household. you know who's house you can control? ONLY YOURS. While I understand your " think of the children" attitude guess what ... many of us either don't have children .. or they are all grown up, Or we feel they are taught well enough, smart enough to not be an issue. Don't like it ? Don't let your kids play at their houses. Simple as it comes.


And just a bit of FYI... when you blanket statement that people are "idiots" for doing something.. chances are you are going to get some backlash like a whole fuckload of it.

As to the stats ..........

Try some real research yourself
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_06.pdf
Page 40
TOTAL Across ALL Age Groups in 2011 was 851 (606 in 2010) deaths by firearms accident

Please tell us where you get your 3000 number for JUST "children". And BTW... The CDC is not exactly a gun friendly organization. but numbers don't lie I found this with 3 mins of looking I'm sure if I read longer I can find the numbers Bailey has posted above....

To Jim...............
I'll just say this to you my friend:

Never argue with an idiot.. they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience .

[clublights]

if the stats I gave above are not enough for you ......


use this
http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_us.html

set for unintentional( IE an accident) set for firearms set for 2010... age group of <1 to 17 ( at 18 your an adult damn it ) guess what it spits out? total number of accidental deaths by firearms in that age group in 2010? 98.


And with this ... I'm going to take my own advice... and stop being dragged down .

[alxone]

damn lights you missed the perfect chance to do this
will you guys stop having a purse fight

truth be told i keep a brick in my purse

[clublights]

damn lights you missed the perfect chance to do this
will you guys stop having a purse fight

truth be told i keep a brick in my purse

Man if I had seen that smiley .. I SO woulda used it !!!!

And it's not a purse!!... It's a European man's bag ( complete with brick) !!!!

[alxone]

Man if I had seen that smiley .. I SO woulda used it !!!!

And it's not a purse!!... It's a European man's bag ( complete with brick) !!!!

[Bailey Guns]

Flatline...

Rarely does someone's inability to grasp simple concepts and facts push me to the edge of insanity. However, you seem to have a special gift for that. So I'm just going to assume that any attempt to continue a somewhat intelligent discussion with you will only lead to me having to start the day off by drinking...a lot. I'm not going to do that. I'll just take my normal dose of BP meds, announce to the world that Flatline is the "winner" and go about the rest of my day.

Otherwise, the second-hand stupidity I'm being exposed to by arguing with you poses a far greater danger to my safety than either a loaded gun or a home invasion.

I will, however, thank my lucky stars that you're not conducting (at least as far as I know) "department education on this stuff" in my area. The general public is misinformed enough as it is...they really don't need your "help".

Have a nice day.