While the "Fiscal Cliff" looms..............

[BPTactical]

http://www.ijreview.com/2012/11/2363...-at-4-million/

It must be tough to be king.........

[nynco]

Obama should be at Bush Crawford ranch instead. That seems to be ok in the past. What changed...

[Zundfolge]

Obama should be at Bush Crawford ranch instead. That seems to be ok in the past. What changed...

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1. Economy was good back then.
2. Bush went to HIS OWN HOME not an expensive vacation rental.
3. Bush's trips to Crawford cost a tiny fraction of what it costs to take Obama and his brood to Hawaii.
4. Obama repeatedly criticized self made capitalists that live like kings with their private jets. Do as he says not as he does?
5. I thought you liberals voted for Obama because he was "better than Bush"?

If he was going to his home in Chicago this wouldn't be an issue.

[nynco]

Honestly, let the fiscal cliff come. The GOP is not negotiating in good faith. Obama is giving them practically all they want. But the GOP is more interested in defending the taxcuts for the uber rich rather than the health of the nation. We will be fine. The issue will pass and then once the new year comes Obama will be in a better place to sell taxcuts for 98% of America. The GOP minions that signed onto Grover Norquists unconstitutional oath to not raise taxes can then cut taxes without breaking that blood oath. To me its disgusting that these guys signed an oath to abdicate their constitutional duty in regards to taxes to an outside interest. If it were me in charge of the attorney generals office, I would start investigations for treason for anyone that signed that and still will not denounce it.

[Ronin13]

Honestly, let the fiscal cliff come. The GOP is not negotiating in good faith. Obama is giving them practically all they want. But the GOP is more interested in defending the taxcuts for the uber rich rather than the health of the nation. We will be fine. The issue will pass and then once the new year comes Obama will be in a better place to sell taxcuts for 98% of America. The GOP minions that signed onto Grover Norquists unconstitutional oath to not raise taxes can then cut taxes without breaking that blood oath. To me its disgusting that these guys signed an oath to abdicate their constitutional duty in regards to taxes to an outside interest. If it were me in charge of the attorney generals office, I would start investigations for treason for anyone that signed that and still will not denounce it.

Ah jeez, my allergies are really acting up today... *Achh-BULLSHIT-hooo* Also, nynco, I honestly wouldn't keep jumping down your throat if you would stop and learn a few things first...
1- The Bush Ranch in Crawford, TX was hardwired for classified phone, fax, computer, and video. Bush did a lot more work out of there than he did on AFO.
2- Obama has taken more vacations where there is less than ideal conditions for him to carry out top-level presidential work, that's a fact.
3- Obama has played more rounds of golf (average about 4hrs per round) in his first term than Bush did in 2!
4- You (being most democrats) keep stating these tax cuts for the super rich... Obama will allow the Bush tax cuts to expire, RAISING taxes on EVERYONE who pays taxes- yes, those tax cuts were for rich, but also for everyone else.
4b- The policies the GOP has been supporting recently are better for the nation than these "Let's eat the rich" policies Obama wants. "Asking them to pay a little more" when they're already paying 65% of the taxes to begin with isn't going to help the economy. Anyone who thinks this, I have some beachfront property just outside Omaha with perfect ocean vistas I'll sell really cheap.
5- Obama is a worse president than Bush. True, Bush wasn't great, but look at the record- Obama doubled, let me put that in another way, DOUBLED! Bush's spending in HALF the time in office. Obama signed the extension of the Patriot Act PLUS the NDAA, that's much worse than just PA by itself. There were no attacks on US Soil/interests after we invaded Afghanistan, UNTIL Obama took office (See: Benghazi). Oh and let's not forget, Obamacare...
Seriously, how many sticks of dynamite do you need to set off in your ears until your head clears?

[spqrzilla]

Honestly, let the fiscal cliff come. The GOP is not negotiating in good faith. Obama is giving them practically all they want.

Objectively false statements. Which is a pattern from you nynco.

And the claim that the no new tax pledge is unconstitutional is irrational looneytoon nonsense.

[nynco]

Objectively false statements. Which is a pattern from you nynco.

And the claim that the no new tax pledge is unconstitutional is irrational looneytoon nonsense.

In the 112th Congress of the United States, 235 members of the House of Representatives and 41 members of the Senate have signed the pledge created by Norquist and Americans for Tax Reform. The pledge states :

I will: ONE, oppose any and all efforts to increase the marginal income tax rates for individuals and/or businesses; and TWO, oppose any net reduction or elimination of deductions and credits, unless matched dollar for dollar by further reducing tax rates.

Norquist and his organization give political support to candidates who make the pledge and work to defeat candidates who do not. To assume office and be paid a salary, members of Congress must take an oath:

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

The Constitution of the United States, to which signers swear their true faith and allegiance, provides, in Article I, Section 8:

The Congress shall have the Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and General Welfare of the United States ...

The Sixteenth Amendment says:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes from whatever source derived ...

The preemptive and unconditional pledge to Norquist by each signer is a knowing and willful repudiation of Article 1, Section 8, of the Constitution and the Sixteenth Amendment. The pledge to Norquist makes signers' oath of office to uphold the Constitution a fraud on the Congress and the American people. It is also a probable violation of federal criminal law.

Title 18, Section 1001, of the United States Code says that whoever willfully makes any false statement or representation in any matter coming within the jurisdiction of the legislative branch of the government of the United States shall be fined or imprisoned for not more than five years. Section 1001 specifically applies to claims for payment of money submitted to Congress. Accordingly, by fraudulent oath of office, Norquist signers claim Congressional salaries in violation of Section 1001.

Norquist signers in the California Legislature pledge that they will "oppose and vote against any and all efforts to increase taxes." To assume office and be paid a salary, they must swear an oath to uphold both the federal and state constitutions. But the California Constitution says, in Article 13, Section 31:

The power to tax may not be surrendered or suspended by grant or contract.

In view of their pledge to Americans for Tax Reform, signers make a false oath of office, because they have surrendered their power to tax to Norquist, in violation of Section 31. The California Government Code makes each Norquist signer's false oath of office an act of perjury, punishable by imprisonment for two, three, or five years.

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/66...e-constitution

[sroz]

Honestly, let the fiscal cliff come. The GOP is not negotiating in good faith. Obama is giving them practically all they want.

What exactly has Obama given them? Please list it all. Just take your time & start at the top of the list. It must be a long one.

[nynco]

If Obama is a worse president than Bush then why are corporate profits through the roof now?

[Ronin13]

If Obama is a worse president than Bush then why are corporate profits through the roof now?

If Bush is worse than Obama, why is the debt, deficit, and unemployment all way up since Bush has been gone?