While the "Fiscal Cliff" looms..............

[Rucker61]

I didn't make the statement & never said we should. I'm certainly not aware of any Obama has offered up. Are you?

No, and sorry if it came across in an accusatory fashion. That was a question to the forum: what cuts in entitlements should we make? How much in total do we need to cut?

[nynco]

Stop calling it "raising revenue" call it what it is, theft, its what all governments eventually take part in, cannibalization of their citizens.

Taxes are not theft. That is extremist talk. Taxes are part of living in any nation in the world from the existence of time. Tax structure is written into the Constitution. If you can't live with that "theft" find a nation that exists without taxes... hint there is none.

[sroz]

No, and sorry if it came across in an accusatory fashion. That was a question to the forum: what cuts in entitlements should we make? How much in total do we need to cut?

See where you're coming from. Not a fan of either side on this topic. I would certainly look at spending first & revenue second. Just makes sense to me.

[stevelkinevil]

Taxes are not theft. That is extremist talk. Taxes are part of living in any nation in the world from the existence of time. Tax structure is written into the Constitution. If you can't live with that "theft" find a nation that exists without taxes... hint there is none.

You are a downright clown. Prior to 1913 there were no income taxes (which was obviously what I was referencing), taxing a mans personal income is theft, and our founding fathers agreed, but what the hell would a libtard sheep like you know of such things. If believing in a true constitutionalist government makes me an extremist than so be it. BTW you may want to watch throwing around the extremist tag, for if people like yourself get their way you may find yourself tagged that way one day.

[nynco]

Ok I agree that there were no income taxes. But I grow tired of the all taxes are theft mime. Now as you alluded to, taxes for most of the earlier parts of this nations came from... where. IMPORT TARIFFS Our economy has been in the red ever since we started to eliminate those in the 1980s. That should be how we fix our fiscal mess. Not cuts to Grandmas Soc Sec.

[stevelkinevil]

Ok I agree that there were no income taxes. But I grow tired of the all taxes are theft mime. Now as you alluded to, taxes for most of the earlier parts of this nations came from... where. IMPORT TARIFFS Our economy has been in the red ever since we started to eliminate those in the 1980s. That should be how we fix our fiscal mess. Not cuts to Grandmas Soc Sec.

Import tarriffs should absolutely be the order of the day, along with massive federal government cuts, eliminating the Federal reserve and booting the UN out of this country. Thats a start anyway.

[TFOGGER]

What he actually has proposed as a "compromise" is massive tax increases now, with "possible" reductions in spending increases "next year". Utter bullshit. If he gets the tax increases he is asking for, the congress will simply increase spending to exceed the increase in revenue as they have done since the damn income tax came into being. The only way they are EVER going to start paying down the debt is to have a statutory mandate (Amendment?) that makes a deficit illegal, perhaps by making blanket cuts across the board, with NOTHING untouchable.

[brutal]

Why should I the taxpayer subsidize their perks?

You ever take an economics class? I ask because you have a complete lack of understanding about what fuels the economy. You probably want to limit corporate profits too?

I'm also waiting for your response regarding the SS cap?

Shuckin and jivin' as usual.


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[brutal]

Taxes are not theft. That is extremist talk. Taxes are part of living in any nation in the world from the existence of time. Tax structure is written into the Constitution. If you can't live with that "theft" find a nation that exists without taxes... hint there is none.

Show me where income tax is written into the constitution? Clown


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[Rucker61]

What he actually has proposed as a "compromise" is massive tax increases now, with "possible" reductions in spending increases "next year". Utter bullshit. If he gets the tax increases he is asking for, the congress will simply increase spending to exceed the increase in revenue as they have done since the damn income tax came into being. The only way they are EVER going to start paying down the debt is to have a statutory mandate (Amendment?) that makes a deficit illegal, perhaps by making blanket cuts across the board, with NOTHING untouchable.

I share your disdain of likely Congressional actions. How do we implement across the board cuts? For entitlements, does everyone get 20% let, or do we cut 20% of the recipients from the roles? How we cut defense spending? Are we going to impose pay cuts on the serving military? Do we reduce the numbers of the military, reduce the amount of equipment? How we keep politics out of the decision? You know that the Senators and Congresscritters that represent districts with major Defense contractors will lobby for those constituents. I'm afraid that the servicemen and women won't have that powerful and a lobby and will lose benefits to keep the cash flowing to the major contractors in this scenario.