New Gun Control for CO?

[BPTactical]

Good write Rat.
Or is that a writ from a Rat?
Mind if I copy and cut & paste?




As far as the mudslinging-even though we may have opposing views on something we all need to be cohesive on this subject.
A house divided, a house falls.

[The Rat]

Good write Rat.
Or is that a writ from a Rat?
Mind if I copy and cut & paste?

Go ahead man.

[nynco]

Rat great reply and I think that the more we do what you are talking about, the better it will be for all of us. As to never voting for Dems, well that makes gun ownership a partisan issue. However if it becomes a non partisan issue then one party will have no interest in pandering to their partisan base. Gun ownership is bigger than just one party. Sooner people figure that out and try to get everyone to be OK with gun ownership like how Rat layed out, the better off we all will be.

Sniper, I will rewrite that and send it off. I just want to word it better. As I said before -Feel free to add suggestions or critique it. The more that politicians see that people who would actually vote for them complaining the better. If a person takes the stance that they will NEVER voter for a Dem or a Liberal even if hell freezes over means that politician has not reason to care about your complaint. He has nothing to lose anyways.

Remember the more people that stop seeing the AR15 as an evil black instrument of death, the better off we all will be.

Amendment 64 just passed, what do you think that will mean?

[Aloha_Shooter]

For what it's worth, the NRA supports some Democrats because they want to show they really are a single-issue organization rather than a partisan one. I'm happy to introduce liberals to shooting and get them to understand it's not voodoo. The more Real Knowledge we can get in the Know-Nothing party, the better. We need people inside that party to argue with Feinstein's and Schumer's crap from within. If we can keep the debate and fight inside their party then the rest of us can fight the other parts of the idiotic liberal agenda outside.

I have very little hope of reason returning to the Democrat Party any time soon -- what's left there now would throw out Harry Truman and JFK as being too conservative -- but I'd rather fight with them on the fiscal issues and let them fight internally on social stuff like gun rights and the freedom of association/to practice religion than have to fight a five front war (and that's what we've got now: spending fight, taxing fight, free speech fight, homosexual marriage fight, gun rights fight).

[Bailey Guns]

I would rather see one liberal become a conservative than see 100 liberals become gun owners.

[10mm-man]

I would rather see one liberal become a conservative than see 100 liberals become gun owners.

^^^^ I have to agree!

[Ronin13]

I'll just say this- in the recent bout, nynco VS. Carl (Aka Bailey Guns), the judges have ruled it a win by knockout for Bailey! Pretty much any liberal that is Pro-2A is a socially and perhaps economically liberal person, but in terms of constitutionally, we have to see how they address a similar topic of debate: infringement of the 1st Amendment. I seriously have to ask nynco: do you believe that the 1st is pretty much as is, no changes or "reasonable limitations" needed on it? Kind of how, I hope, you see the 2nd? Which begs me to ask, do you believe any "reasonable legislation" should be allowed with 1A? Or do you think that we can go ahead and limit free speech to "non-offensive" speech? Furthermore, do you think that, outside of what we all see as good- like violent felons being restricted from gun ownership, age limits, and some form of background check- the 2nd should never be messed with? I'm just curious as to your stance so I can better define to what degree of liberal you are. In my experience, any pro-2A liberal is kind of an oxymoron, considering it's pretty much clearly defined that the left opposes guns, and the right supports the right to keep and bear arms.

[iquack08]

As somebody who has worked in the CO legislature, it's my opinion that some gun control measures will pass this session...

Also, I hate arguing politics online, but I would like to mention that some gun-friendly Democrats play an important role in preventing onerous gun legislation from being passed. e.g. Harry Reid.

[iquack08]

My 2c. If high-capacity magazines are banned, such a law would be unenforceable. The govt. can't just take private property w/o compensation, and in this case, it's unlikely the govt. would want to pay for them. So that restriction would most likely be grandfathered in.

Then, how would the govt. prove in a court of law that the magazine is not a pre-ban one. No idea. It's unenforceable, but it would still be a hassle for gunowners to deal with it.

Couldn't CO just require magazine manufacturers to stamp a date on it? That would most likely violate the dormant commerce clause. The federal govt. can require it though.

[merl]

My 2c. If high-capacity magazines are banned, such a law would be unenforceable. The govt. can't just take private property w/o compensation, and in this case, it's unlikely the govt. would want to pay for them. So that restriction would most likely be grandfathered in.

Then, how would the govt. prove in a court of law that the magazine is not a pre-ban one. No idea. It's unenforceable, but it would still be a hassle for gunowners to deal with it.

Couldn't CO just require magazine manufacturers to stamp a date on it? That would most likely violate the dormant commerce clause. The federal govt. can require it though.

How many folks will ship anything to CA? That plus heavy fines for a shop selling will put a good limit on them. Yeah you can drive to another state, but just like the hour+ instant background check it is another hurdle.

I'm not too worried at this point, except for the newly gained CC on campus... that is probably endangered.