Beer with a liberal

[Goodburbon]

Last night one of our neighbors came over for a few beers. She's a non working on disability person. Can only go to town once or twice a month because it costs $15 in gas. She professed to voting for Obama, because...

"The other guy was going to require her to get vouchers for her government funded medical treatments, and she just couldn't wait months to apply for and finally get vouchers because when you're sick you're sick.




Nice person, but a bit loony.

[nynco]

and because a voucher will never come close to covering the cost of her medical issues. Don't blame her for looking out for your own best interests. I am sure you would do the same. Healthcare is a real issue that is impoverishing and killing many people.

[esaabye]

and because a voucher will never come close to covering the cost of her medical issues. Don't blame her for looking out for your own best interests. I am sure you would do the same. Healthcare is a real issue that is impoverishing and killing many people.

I WILL blame her, her self interest will take money I earn away from my children and that is against MY self interest. Since it is MY labor that generates that money I tend to feel some sense of entitlement too it.

Yes, healthcare costs are a real issue, mostly driven by the artificial nature of the insurance dominated market place. I look at healthcare costs and college costs much the same, both are good examples of what happens to a market when actual costs are hidden from the consumer, they no longer force the market costs down via value based purchasing.

[nynco]

So she should just die then

And healthcare is not a commodity

[Teufelhund]

Well, nynco, maybe if the rest of us were forced to contribute more, we could keep everyone alive forever! Better yet, how about all you bleeding hearts who are convinced we can legislate our way out of death contribute the majority of your income to see if you can make it happen? Let us know if it works out and we'll kick in too.

[RMAC757]

I WILL blame her, her self interest will take money I earn away from my children and that is against MY self interest. Since it is MY labor that generates that money I tend to feel some sense of entitlement too it.

Yes, healthcare costs are a real issue, mostly driven by the artificial nature of the insurance dominated market place. I look at healthcare costs and college costs much the same, both are good examples of what happens to a market when actual costs are hidden from the consumer, they no longer force the market costs down via value based purchasing.

Exellent point

[nynco]

How in the heck is anyone supposed to earn the money for healthcare if they are sick in a hospital bed? A "Free Market" approach does not work. There is a reason all other civilized nations in the world have some form of universal healthcare. Because common sense tells you that healthcare is not a commodity. It is sociopathic to tell people to just die because they can not afford basic healthcare.

[esaabye]

So she should just die then

And healthcare is not a commodity

I'll just let my autistic son know that daddy can't pay for his treatment anymore because he needs to chip in for someone else. That is after I explain why I have to work 60-80 hours a week. It's OK, he won't understand and someday your kids can pay for his disability...

Life is full of choices and chances, no one said it would be fair or easy. Heath care is a commodity, as is food, water, housing and education. You are welcome to provide her any charity you wish but you have no right to assign the fruits of my labor.

[Teufelhund]

It's not sociopathy. It's natural selection. Life is not all sunshine and unicorns, and all the socialist welfare programs in the world aren't going to make it that way. You don't have a right to other people's shit, regardless of the reason.

[Rooskibar03]

Here is the problem with people like her. They don't understand, or care for that matter, where the money is coming from. They just see it as Government money, and do not understand that the Government has to take it from one person it give it to her.

Is heath care an issue? Sure. Much like everything else once the government starts to stick its nose in things, costs go us. Government doesn't want to pay fair wages for a Medicare/Medicaid treatment, fine costs get shifted to private insurance. Tort reform, insurance across state lines, and you have half the issue of healthcare costs in check.

Its a lot like college tuition. Why has the cost of college gone up 20-30% in the last 4 years? Simple, the government has made it easier for students to secure loans for their underwater basket weaving degree.

There is not one single example of anything the government runs that is more efficient then true private sector capitalism. Not one. Get the crony backroom deals out of the way and the free market will take over.