Beer with a liberal

[Holger Danske]

You're right Nynco. Some more info. She lost her business because her partner was stealing from it. If she had the resources, then she would have taken care of it herself. She's back on her feet and doesn't require help from .gov any more. I think the difference is that some folks need an occasional hand, and then there are others that don't want to take care of themselves, aren't without resources and still try to take advantage of safety net programs.

[cstone]

When does the safety net become a hammock?

Caring for those in need is not giving out free care.

Charity starts at home. It ceases to be charity when it is handed out by an impartial bureaucracy. Hand outs become an entitlement when every politician at every level is afraid to manage how much and to whom it is given because those who receive believe they are entitled will continue to vote for candidates who will keep giving. Those politicians who are elected will keep giving as long as there is someone they can take from to pay for the entitlements.

Why is Greece where it is now? Where will Greece be when the Germans decide to stop funding Greek entitlements?

[nynco]

Don't even try to use Greece as an example of anything liberal. Their economy is going off a cliff because they have no manufacturing base and the greeks decided to try massive gov cuts like you guys advocate. It sent the country into a down spiral. Just like everyone warns will happen if we listen to the GOP and cut spending by a massive amount.

Germany on the other hand has done exactly what I think is the right thing to do. Same with most all the Scandinavia socialist countries. They are booming right now.

Healthcare should not even be an issue of a safety net. We need to make medicare a base level for all regardless of income and then if you are rich, buy better than that. You will see the economy boom as small business is lifted from that burden and individuals can follow their dreams. Much the same reason the 50s boomed once the kids did not have to pay for the parents thanks to Soc Sec.

[TEAMRICO]

Yaaaaawn, has NYNCO changed anyone's mind yet. I'm starting to get the image of him being a start raving mad Communist!
NYNCO, you are so obsessed with converting people with your WE WE WE utopia I still fail to see what you want out of all of this. Still want to understand what YOU have to gain from taking from others to provide for those who could care less where any of this money comes from. Are you giving to your neighbor so they can get by, do you pay their cell phone bill, car note, grocery bill or anything and do you have to? Wy are you so concerned with making people see YOUR WAY. You never explain why anyone should give up the wealth they have worked for other than the Greater Good jibberish we have been hearing since liberals have figured it was safe to crawl out from under their rocks. Your view is that we should all be guilty of what we have worked for and be forced to have it taken away or forced to pay for these so called VICTIMS of the American way of life. When did I have to start shouldering the blame for the failure of others in society. If they are not trying to better themselves why should we have to make up for that? These so called victims, eat better, have better cell phones, bigger TV's, drive nicer cars and still they claim they need help. I see it everyday, kids on free school lunch tossing it into the trash only to go outside and play on there fancy cell phones, they have parents who complain they can't afford a collared shirt for school but sure do have nice iPhones! I pay my way everyday yet still see people buying up the good name brand groceries and throwing meat into there cart like there is no tomorrow using and EBT card. Forcing people to pay more, buy a service, or feel guilty for success is not going to motivate these so called poor to take care of themselves anymore, they know your a sucker for feeling sorry for them and will always get something for nothing. You can cry about the Eisenhower Days all you want. Your not changing any minds here and have just made yourself seem even more insane and self serving.

[dwalker460]

The problem Liberals have is the word "CHOICE". They are the party of NO.

[nynco]

"First and foremost too, we have the RIGHT to chose who we want to assist." So too do you have the right to choose your gov. Thus the gov we chose can also chose to assist others. I believe in a gov of "We the People" You don't like it, well try to get people to vote for people who will not help another person other than themselves. Thankfully people are starting to get that will not work.

Foxtrot can you please point me to the line in the constitution that says we are to be a "Free Market" "Laisseze Fair" economy? Thanks in advance... if not then I suggest you take your own advice.

"If you don't like it and want to change it until everyone is forced to agree with your way of thinking, then I suggest you properly amend the constitution.

#4: Otherwise, sit down, shut up, and stop harassing people from under your bridge."

Again thanks in advance.

TeamRico, I don't really care what you think of me. You have already admitted yourself that you are a bigot and proud of it on another thread. No one can change that mentality but yourself. So rest assured, I don't care what you think.

I love it when I strike a nerve with Liberals. Now the name calling.
Yes, Im a Homophobe, Anti Islam, anti all of it. Now that I have taken away the labels and name calling keep defending Dear Leader til the end.
I am everything you say I am so now you have no weapon against me.

[TEAMRICO]

Yup, I'm all of those things! When you make up more HATE SPEECH labels I will add those as well. Keeps you loons happy.
Boy, you Communist sure get mad when people have the ability to think for themselves. Is this how you run The Red Cross....adding a sickle and hammer soon to the flag is suspect.
NYNCO, seems like you are a man filled with hatred for freedom and this country? Why are you so filled with anger? Are you a GOV plant meant to stir trouble here so you can have this site closed down. I'm beginning to worry about your intentions here to silence free speech and crush opposing views, I think you may be a threat to those that speak out against you......scary!

[cstone]

Government programs are like the camel's nose. They are proposed and passed as supplements to assist the needy. Social Security was started to supplement worker's retirement savings. Now it is seen as sacrosanct and an absolute must for all who the GOV approves to receive.

There will always be those who have more and those who have less. IMO, life is not fair and it is not about providing an equal right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness for every citizen. In fact that phrase is in the Declaration of Independence, which of course was written as a statement dissolving the ties between citizens and their former government. IMO life is about opportunities, and freedom to choose. I am free to believe what I do and you are free to believe what you want. I am free to disagree with you, as you are free to disagree with me. I choose to have less government involvement in my choices and I choose to not have my healthcare provided through government mandates. I feel that the current system is an infringement upon my rights and I will work against that infringement upon my rights.

I do not want to live in a socialized state like those found in Scandanavia or the rest of western Europe. I believe the path chosen by those countries is fundamentally wrong based on my understanding of the Constitution. I could list many other problems I have with current government programs and policies, however, I find the entire discussion to be continued mental masturbation.

Enjoy yourself and the future you are choosing. I'm taking my balls and going home.

[nynco]

Yada yada yada Rico... you yourself said you are those things. I just let you run with your own personal label. So don't accuse me of doing anything more than agreeing with your own personal assessment. You are free to be all that you cherish. Just don't take away anyone else's rights with your views. Have a nice day.

[TEAMRICO]

Best line ever "Just don't take away anyone else's right with your views".

You still don't get it do you? Your hatred of freedom blinds you to no end.

Makes me feel better knowing that as I stood in line today at the store I could watch a woman pay for the most good awful junk food and prime cuts of meat with her EBT card. I hope its enough to last her since she was working 250 lbs plus!
NYNCO's America!