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This is tragic for sure, and my toughts go out to the innocent victims and their family/friends. But I tottaly agree, all the more reason to push ccw permits but unfortuntley it will be quite the opposite.
More CCWs won't do any good as long as there are places that don't allow an armed public. This shooting and the Aurora theater shootings are both gun free zones. These crazies are sane enough to know to only go to where there aren't any guns.
Yea thats kind of a fine line law from what Ive researched.... Seems like the most they can ask you to do is leave, unless its a government building
They are MOST LIKELY to just ask to you leave, but it is trespassing and they can call the cops to write you a ticket.Originally Posted by MATT02GT
It is only trespassing if you do not leave. Since you are not doing anything illegal you can't get a ticket. Now if they don't ask you to leave and call the cops...the cops will just tell you to leave (hopefully).
Blatantly wrong.
This ^
Happened already. A theater patron (foolishly) exposed his carry or otherwise compromised his concealment and the establishment called the cops who unjustifiably arrested the guy but later set him free and apologized when someone smarter than the responding officers pointed out their ignorant fuck up. NOTE: this is not a rant or dig on LEO's in general, whom I sincerely respect and appreciate unless they individually prove otherwise, just this particular pair of fuckups in this particular instance.
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Not to side-track the thread, but I looked this up, because it's not what I have learned. Apparently, it's a topic of some debate.
My research shows that entering private property which is posted is criminal trespass. The owner does not have to tell you to leave and then call the cops if you don't. The owner can call the cops right away. Whether or not you will be arrested, charged, and prosecuted is a different question. Please raise your wallet if you'd like to be the test case.
What I've heard is that if the owner asks you to leave, do so. Promptly. If the owner calls the cops, stay, get out your cell phone, and take pictures of the entry and any signs which may or may not be posted. What you really don't want to have happen is the owner to call the cops, then go put up a sign while you wait.
Note that in the James Mapes case, the theater into which he open carried was not posted. The simple reason that all charges were dropped against him is that he did not violate any laws.
While at one point in my life I was pretty sure I understood why there were gun free zones and the legal maneuvering behind it, when I see a Gun Free zone, I am fairly certain they are just not getting my business. The cost of doing business with these places is simply too high.
Things are going to get bumpy and unpleasant.
Concealed is concealed, unless its a school or govt. building.
Read a comment somewhere that said something to the effect of "I really wish there would have been a CCW permit holder there...then there would have been more victims"
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