What to do

[Irving]

in response to your objections there are no absolute rights left. Every right has limitations. Maybe that's your point. In that I am probably wrong, but we don't let anyone drive without proof of minimum competence. How do we continue to justify ownership without weeding out the mentally unstable.

The answer to this is that you need to revisit the idea that freedom is not free.

[losttrail]

Given the amount of blame our community rightly places on mental incapacity being to blame, what are we willing to do about it?

A friend's proposal is this: Purchase of a firearm requires production of a certificate of mental capacity. Certificates are obtained by conducting a 1 hour interview with a state-certified psychiatrist. This would require development of interview standards and a slew of other intricacies.

An easier to swallow standard for most of us, but less protective: Determine a list of disorders which legally incapacitate the sufferer from firearm purchase. Incorporate mandatory diagnosis reporting to the ATF (with 6 month intervals of retest, re diagnosis permitted).

I propose this because I don't think we can appropriately say that these are the acts of sick people, but not try to limit the access of those people to firearms. I know Lanza didn't buy the guns, but I feel either of these measures are good faith ground we can give to address what we see as the problem without having to endure what we know are ineffectual restrictions on specific firearm types.

Your thoughts please.

And just how would any of us trust, let's say, the current administration, to fairly and justly implement and run this? Would any of us here trust the current administarion to failry, honestly and justly make assessments on the mental stability of any of us?

I know that I trust this administration about as far as I can throw the U.S.S. Ronald Reagan.

[DavieD55]

Given the amount of blame our community rightly places on mental incapacity being to blame, what are we willing to do about it?

A friend's proposal is this: Purchase of a firearm requires production of a certificate of mental capacity. Certificates are obtained by conducting a 1 hour interview with a state-certified psychiatrist. This would require development of interview standards and a slew of other intricacies.

An easier to swallow standard for most of us, but less protective: Determine a list of disorders which legally incapacitate the sufferer from firearm purchase. Incorporate mandatory diagnosis reporting to the ATF (with 6 month intervals of retest, re diagnosis permitted).

I propose this because I don't think we can appropriately say that these are the acts of sick people, but not try to limit the access of those people to firearms. I know Lanza didn't buy the guns, but I feel either of these measures are good faith ground we can give to address what we see as the problem without having to endure what we know are ineffectual restrictions on specific firearm types.

Your thoughts please.

A mental capacity license? That is outrageous! the fact of the matter is that it still wont stop people intent on doing harm to others. It will end up as a major bureaucracy that only affects good people who want to practice their god givin right to self defense. Each time something happens the outcome is to always punish the good people... You're basically saying more gov is the solution.

[losttrail]

Banning firearms will not stop evil from happening and evil doers. It's been going on forever.

May 18, 1927 : In the deadliest mass school murder in United States history, former school board member Andrew Kehoe set off three bombs in Bath Township, Michigan killing 45 people and wounding 58. Kehoe killed himself and the superintendent by blowing up his own vehicle.

[rshives]

Every mass shooting involving more than three people being killed in the US, with the exception of one, happened in a GUN FREE zone.

Two things will stop this from happening, ban gun free zones And the media from covering the events.


Richard
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[roberth]

What to do?

Hold the responsible responsible and do not blame the tool.

If there is a nut in your family it is up to YOU to make sure the nut cannot access your firearms. You still have choices, pay to keep the nut in an institution, keep the nut out of your house, keep your guns locked up and make sure the nut doesn't know where the keys/combo are. I'm sure there are many other solutions.

Families no longer take care of their crazy offspring and relatives, they leave it up to the government. I'm preaching to the choir but GUESS WHAT - the government FAILS at almost every task it undertakes.

[merl]

Given the amount of blame our community rightly places on mental incapacity being to blame, what are we willing to do about it?

A friend's proposal is this: Purchase of a firearm requires production of a certificate of mental capacity. Certificates are obtained by conducting a 1 hour interview with a state-certified psychiatrist. This would require development of interview standards and a slew of other intricacies.

An easier to swallow standard for most of us, but less protective: Determine a list of disorders which legally incapacitate the sufferer from firearm purchase. Incorporate mandatory diagnosis reporting to the ATF (with 6 month intervals of retest, re diagnosis permitted).

I propose this because I don't think we can appropriately say that these are the acts of sick people, but not try to limit the access of those people to firearms. I know Lanza didn't buy the guns, but I feel either of these measures are good faith ground we can give to address what we see as the problem without having to endure what we know are ineffectual restrictions on specific firearm types.

Your thoughts please.

Your first option is a permit process to own guns. I would not trust a single 1 hour interview with anyone to determine anything. If going down this route at most make it a CCW level criminal background check not someones arbitrary decision.

Second option is a new list of things that make someone unable to own firearms. There are big privacy issues with the reporting suggested, medical records have limits in how they are shared, mental health doubly so. I could see this as driving people away from treatment and have little faith in the re-testing and re-diagnosis ever clearing the system once in.

Mental health has been an issue in this country for a long time. it is a cost issue; do we pay to treat the sick, and everyone who wants to scam the system, or do we deal with the effects. The decision has been to deal with the effects since they are distributed and localized, often localized to the family of the sick person. Maybe we need to change this.

If there is something on the table to give up, and there may well have to be something, put required security on there. If not in the owners immediate control they must be locked up. It wouldn't have helped this, pretty likely that he would have known any safe code, but is something that would not infringe too heavily.

Something bigger that I see looming, the end of face to face sales. Like it or not, it is a way for unapproved people to get guns. I'd rather see this go than a ban on cosmetics or accessories. (sounds like I'm describing Barbie)

[Ronin13]

Here's an idea... You need to sit down with a doctor every 6 months to see if you are mentally competent enough to speak freely.
See how stupid that sounds? Let's treat the 2nd just like the 1st... are there any laws that "reasonably restrict" the right to free speech, free press, and freedom of religion? NO! So why would we even allow even the slightest restriction (NFA) of the 2nd?

[TS12000]

Seems as if the statists have won over even our brethren. Infringing upon my rights and giving the ATF the ability to restrict everyones GOD GIVEN rights based on mental issues that are some of the hardest to understand in all of the health world (take a look at how mental retardation, down syndrome, etc have been viewed over the course of history) is horseshit. RESPONSIBILITY dammit! Everyone is pointing in every fucking direction after all this shit except at themselves. The answer isn't in banning video games, guns, music, media coverage, or requiring classification and certification for every act imaginable. The answer is providing some parenting and raising kids that aren't psychos in the first place. You're kid shoots a bunch of people? That is on YOU, you are a fucking terrible parent and a piece of shit. That other article about "I am name retracted's mother" got my blood boiling. You threaten to kill your parents and yourself and the punishment is a day without electronics? No fucking wonder kids don't give a damn about what you say or do anymore because the majority of parents out there have played their cards and shown they are ineffectual little pussies that are scared of their kids not liking them and actually punishing the little monsters they plopped out before letting them loose on the rest of us.

[Sharpienads]

Seems as if the statists have won over even our brethren. Infringing upon my rights and giving the ATF the ability to restrict everyones GOD GIVEN rights based on mental issues that are some of the hardest to understand in all of the health world (take a look at how mental retardation, down syndrome, etc have been viewed over the course of history) is horseshit. RESPONSIBILITY dammit! Everyone is pointing in every fucking direction after all this shit except at themselves. The answer isn't in banning video games, guns, music, media coverage, or requiring classification and certification for every act imaginable. The answer is providing some parenting and raising kids that aren't psychos in the first place. You're kid shoots a bunch of people? That is on YOU, you are a fucking terrible parent and a piece of shit. That other article about "I am name retracted's mother" got my blood boiling. You threaten to kill your parents and yourself and the punishment is a day without electronics? No fucking wonder kids don't give a damn about what you say or do anymore because the majority of parents out there have played their cards and shown they are ineffectual little pussies that are scared of their kids not liking them and actually punishing the little monsters they plopped out before letting them loose on the rest of us.