What to do

[encorehunter]

How are you supposed to discipline you kids when the school sends a letter home saying if you spank them, you are going to be turned into child services? The kids have the power over the parents now. All they have to do is cry and say "he hurt me" and the parent gets taken to jail, or at a minimum, looses their job for "child abuse."

[Teufelhund]

Saw this on FB today:

[Ronin13]

Saw this on FB today:

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[Sharpienads]

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Ryan I don't want you anywhere near my kids!!!

Jk, I don't have any kids.

[tmckay2]

people always say look at this country and look at that country, they have no legal guns and its so great. and it probably is safer, i mean if we had zero freedoms at all we would be safer. at some point you have to put your foot down and believe that all people should be free, even at the risk of doing harm to themselves. look at what we eat, drink and smoke. we hurt ourselves all the time, but individuals should have the right to choose. the second amendment is no different than, say, the first amendment. the only difference is those who don't exercise their right to have a gun think guns are stupid. but should we have a mental test for the right to free speech? or right to an assembly? its a very slippery slope. the closer you move towards those types of things, where the government can dictate who gets rights and who doesn't, the closer you are to tyranny. it may take 40-50 years, but you are still moving that direction. look how much the government has already overstepped their bounds in all areas of life. why would they do any different with the bill of rights.

tragedies make people irrational. all of these ideas seem like such great ideas, but they are impractical and give over more freedoms and rights of millions because of a few. there is no easy solution. to some degree you cant avoid these types of scenarios without losing rights. out of 300 million people, how often do these types of things occur? they are sad, yes, but why this country is so hell bent on removing everyone's rights because of 0.0001% of the population is beyond me. more freedoms always come with more risks. which do you want? freedom or safety?

[TS12000]

Well, you had me in your court until this bit of nonsense:



I don't agree with that. At all. There are too many parents who raise multiple kids and 1 turns out to be a loser. Yes, the parents may share some of the blame in some cases or the bad kid might just be a bad kid. I've seen all too often as a cop parents trying to do their best and doing everything within their power to straighten out a pain in the ass kid and, despite their best efforts, it doesn't work.

A blanket statement like that is just as irresponsible as the lefties who say it's the gun that 's the problem.

I guess I can agree there are some straight up bad apples out there that can't be reached but in a lot of these cases there are guns stolen from parents and such and I was referring to that. I'm by no means advocating mandatory lockups or anything like that but parents leaving guns accessible to kids they know are quirky and the like is shameful. MOST of these parents are bad parents, my bad...

[Dave_L]

people always say look at this country and look at that country, they have no legal guns and its so great. and it probably is safer, i mean if we had zero freedoms at all we would be safer. at some point you have to put your foot down and believe that all people should be free, even at the risk of doing harm to themselves. look at what we eat, drink and smoke. we hurt ourselves all the time, but individuals should have the right to choose. the second amendment is no different than, say, the first amendment. the only difference is those who don't exercise their right to have a gun think guns are stupid. but should we have a mental test for the right to free speech? or right to an assembly? its a very slippery slope. the closer you move towards those types of things, where the government can dictate who gets rights and who doesn't, the closer you are to tyranny. it may take 40-50 years, but you are still moving that direction. look how much the government has already overstepped their bounds in all areas of life. why would they do any different with the bill of rights.

tragedies make people irrational. all of these ideas seem like such great ideas, but they are impractical and give over more freedoms and rights of millions because of a few. there is no easy solution. to some degree you cant avoid these types of scenarios without losing rights. out of 300 million people, how often do these types of things occur? they are sad, yes, but why this country is so hell bent on removing everyone's rights because of 0.0001% of the population is beyond me. more freedoms always come with more risks. which do you want? freedom or safety?

Amen to that. We take an inherent risk by just getting out of bed every morning. It's part of this journey called life.

[Ralph]

We all agree the problem is not firearms, as it is not that of automobiles or aircraft. What is known is psychological evaluations are subjective and in the moment. It is not a criteria that can be relied upon to provide the results for which one is hoping. Moreover it would seem a willing walk into harms way to entrust one's fate to an individual that may be subject to the manipulation of their employer or guided by their own prejudice and bias.

These shootings are manifestation of a systemic societal ill. Which is beyond the scope of the question.