argument for FTF sales

[blacklabel]

The gun culture needs to pull up its skirt, grab itself by the balls and quit apologizing for exercising its rights or rationalizing it beyond the fact that they're rights and they shouldn't be infringed upon.

[Sharpienads]

The gun culture needs to pull up its skirt, grab itself by the balls and quit apologizing for exercising its rights or rationalizing it beyond the fact that they're rights and they shouldn't be infringed upon.

Amen!

[merl]

If the best argument we have when a bill pops up next year banning face to face sales is "It is my property, I can do what I want with it." we will lose the argument. It seems there is nothing else to say in response though.




BTW, try selling a car without papers (title) the buyer can take to the DMV. Vehicles are very heavily regulated in sale and use because they are not a right. We do not want to make that link.

[Great-Kazoo]

If the best argument we have when a bill pops up next year banning face to face sales is "It is my property, I can do what I want with it." we will lose the argument. It seems there is nothing else to say in response though.




BTW, try selling a car without papers (title) the buyer can take to the DMV. Vehicles are very heavily regulated in sale and use because they are not a right. We do not want to make that link.

Get off the cars, please. Do i need a tracking device to sell my compound bow, any firearm related accessory?
Looks like you should sell you guns then. Your negativity and inability, to come up with your own reasons for owning a LEGAL, CONSTITUTIONALLY GUARANTEED firearm. Want an idea or something to use since you don't seem able to rationally figure it out. See my TUESDAY TIDBIT post. No one in my family (unless they have changed their minds since sunday) have or are screaming for MORE GUN CONTROL. AND most of them don't even own a gun.

[merl]

Looks like you should sell you guns then. You are unable to come up with your own reasons for owning a LEGAL, CONSTITUTIONALLY GUARANTEED firearm. Want an idea or something to use since you don't seem able to rationally figure it out. See my TUESDAY TIDBIT post. No one in my family (unless they have changed their minds since sunday) have or are screaming for MORE GUN CONTROL. AND most of them don't even own a gun.

please understand I'm not arguing for any gun control.
I'm asking for something I can put in a letter to our dear Governor and state rep. Something more than the "it is my property" line because the obvious dismissal is "You can still sell whatever you want, we are just going to verify the buyer."

[HBARleatherneck]

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[Aloha_Shooter]

I don't do a background check when selling someone a car despite the fact cars kill more people every year than guns. I don't need a "good reason" to sell something legal to someone else without government intervention. Governor Hickenlooper should give me a good reason government needs to be involved in private transactions -- or for that matter, is authorized under the Constitution to interfere with private trade. NONE of the recent tragedies have involved guns acquired surreptitiously through FTF transactions (although the Columbine killers got a shadow buyer, that's not the same thing).

[Tinelement]

Since this country is gonna turn into a effing prison, we can just start baking our 'goods' in cakes and having bake sales.

[TFOGGER]

I would argue the lack of effectiveness. Banning FTF sales would not have prevented the Aurora Theater shootings, that murderer bought his weapons through licensed dealers. Waiting periods wouldn't have helped either, as he bought them months in advance. Registration doesn't accomplish anything either. All of the bureaucracy they are going to try to create will have no effect on crimes of this nature, will waste taxpayer dollars, and are fundamentally unconstitutional impediments to rights that are guaranteed. Aside from the general do-nothing nature of this initiative, the state can expect lengthy and expensive litigation.

[merl]

I would argue the lack of effectiveness. Banning FTF sales would not have prevented the Aurora Theater shootings, that murderer bought his weapons through licensed dealers. Waiting periods wouldn't have helped either, as he bought them months in advance. Registration doesn't accomplish anything either. All of the bureaucracy they are going to try to create will have no effect on crimes of this nature, will waste taxpayer dollars, and are fundamentally unconstitutional impediments to rights that are guaranteed. Aside from the general do-nothing nature of this initiative, the state can expect lengthy and expensive litigation.

thanks for this. Adding a 'not needing more useless laws' argument is a good second point. Anyone got anything else?

Jim, most of the letters address an AWB, magazine restrictions, general gun control. They don't address this specifically and since Hickenlooper directly addressed FTF sales it is good to have a specific response.