argument for FTF sales

[Clint45]

Somewhat related to a ban on FTF sales . . . in NY, if a pistol permit holder dies, and his wife/sons do not have a pistol permit themselves, it is a FELONY for them to keep the permit holder's handgun in their own home, even if it is unloaded and locked in a safe. A few years back the law was changed. Before, it was legal to have an unlicensed handgun in your own home (as long as you never took it outside). Now, if a permit holder dies, the family needs to call the State Police within 30 days to collect any handguns. The police will hold them for a while as you beginn the 6 month long process of applying for a pistol permit. In the event you are actually issued a NY pistol permit, you then must register each handgun you wish to keep.

Also related . . . when NY implemented their AWB, simple possession of a 30 rd magazine also became a felony, whether or not you had ammo or a firearm that it fit. Burden of proof is on the defendant to prove his magazine was somehow grandfathered or otherwise lawful to own.

[Ronin13]

Somewhat related to a ban on FTF sales . . . in NY, if a pistol permit holder dies, and his wife/sons do not have a pistol permit themselves, it is a FELONY for them to keep the permit holder's handgun in their own home, even if it is unloaded and locked in a safe. A few years back the law was changed. Before, it was legal to have an unlicensed handgun in your own home (as long as you never took it outside). Now, if a permit holder dies, the family needs to call the State Police within 30 days to collect any handguns. The police will hold them for a while as you beginn the 6 month long process of applying for a pistol permit. In the event you are actually issued a NY pistol permit, you then must register each handgun you wish to keep.

Also related . . . when NY implemented their AWB, simple possession of a 30 rd magazine also became a felony, whether or not you had ammo or a firearm that it fit. Burden of proof is on the defendant to prove his magazine was somehow grandfathered or otherwise lawful to own.

I can testify to this! When I was stationed in N-NY I was denied a NYS Pistol Permit due to my "temporary resident status" being .mil, so my Glock sat in our unit arms room. You can't even handle a pistol at a gun store without a permit... NY is the ultimate example of a police state in the works.

[patrick0685]

also in Vegas its just Clark County that has the stupid rule and not even all of the city's in the county follow the rule

[BigDee]

Just playing devils advocate here but I would like to bring up something that has concerned me regarding FTF sales for some time.

Anyone who cruises private party sales ads has noticed that it is common to see the majority of private party sellers asking for more than the cost of the item purchased new through a local dealer. More often than not the private party price is higher than MSRP when the item was new.

Why would someone who can legally purchase a firearm pay more for something used than they would pay for the same item brand new at a local dealer? IMO it is because that person is not legally able purchase a firearm. I understand that there are the few exceptions to people who don't mind paying a few extra bucks to keep their purchase off of the books but I would be willing to bet that is the small minority of those who pay well above the new price for a used firearm.

[patrick0685]

Just playing devils advocate here but I would like to bring up something that has concerned me regarding FTF sales for some time.

Anyone who cruises private party sales ads has noticed that it is common to see the majority of private party sellers asking for more than the cost of the item purchased new through a local dealer. More often than not the private party price is higher than MSRP when the item was new.

Why would someone who can legally purchase a firearm pay more for something used than they would pay for the same item brand new at a local dealer? IMO it is because that person is not legally able purchase a firearm. I understand that there are the few exceptions to people who don't mind paying a few extra bucks to keep their purchase off of the books but I would be willing to bet that is the small minority of those who pay well above the new price for a used firearm.

those items dont seem to sell very fast around here, however i have noticed there are tons and tons of great deals on here

[Fmedges]

Just playing devils advocate here but I would like to bring up something that has concerned me regarding FTF sales for some time.

Anyone who cruises private party sales ads has noticed that it is common to see the majority of private party sellers asking for more than the cost of the item purchased new through a local dealer. More often than not the private party price is higher than MSRP when the item was new.

Why would someone who can legally purchase a firearm pay more for something used than they would pay for the same item brand new at a local dealer? IMO it is because that person is not legally able purchase a firearm. I understand that there are the few exceptions to people who don't mind paying a few extra bucks to keep their purchase off of the books but I would be willing to bet that is the small minority of those who pay well above the new price for a used firearm.

I know a guy who would do such a thing so that he would not have his name go through a background check.

[Great-Kazoo]

Why would someone who can legally purchase a firearm pay more for something used than they would pay for the same item brand new

Because there are none on any shelf, anywhere. Add to that the resupply availability is unknown, at this time.

[Clint45]

Why would someone who can legally purchase a firearm pay more for something used than they would pay for the same item brand new

Because there are none on any shelf, anywhere. Add to that the resupply availability is unknown, at this time.

I once paid over MSRP for a NIB NAA PUG . . . because NAA only does a manufacturing run of PUGs twice a year, there were none for sale locally, there was a long wait on backorders, and it was intended to be a birthday present so time was short..

I recently paid well over Blue Book value for a Ruger Speed Six. This is a long discontinued model in a very rare configuration with a factory custom trigger job in near mint condition. I knew it was probably a once in a lifetime opportunity to get a gun like that.

Now, someone paying $300 for a used Hi-Point pistol, or $700 for a used SKS, I might question if they were prohibited from owning a gun as well.

[BigDee]

Why would someone who can legally purchase a firearm pay more for something used than they would pay for the same item brand new

Because there are none on any shelf, anywhere. Add to that the resupply availability is unknown, at this time.

2 months ago you could walk into gun store in town and buy a Glock for 500-525 dollars. The same used guns are 600 private party. Add to that you can purchase them online for 500 flat.

There was no shortage of 500 dollar Glocks 2 months ago yet people were able to sell theirs for 600 private party.

[Kraven251]

2 months ago you could walk into gun store in town and buy a Glock for 500-525 dollars. The same used guns are 600 private party. Add to that you can purchase them online for 500 flat.

There was no shortage of 500 dollar Glocks 2 months ago yet people were able to sell theirs for 600 private party.

Only thing I would say to that is were they still stock Glocks with no modifications etc.


As for FTF sales, there is very little that can defend it. The problem is responsible people doing a legal action doesn't need defending. The burden of proof is on the Legislative body that the FTF sales serve as a threat to anyone. Criminals will still conduct FTF sales, quite illegally as is the nature of a criminal.

Moral of the story:
If it isn't broke don't fix it.