sovereign citizen

[Atrain1]

Look at the "Pros" this guy is talking about there is no way. And the way it was explained to me was a bit different and I did not realize it was giving up being an American essentially. But anyway this is what this guy is trying to sell. http://www.discharge-debt.com/id73.htm

[brutal]

So "someone" thinks they can just give up their citizenship and STAY HERE without repercussions?

Just a guess, but I suspect this one is not the sharpest tool in the shed?

[GilpinGuy]

I read the OP and decided to reply before reading the other replies so I wouldn't be swayed.

I got married June 11, 2011. My wife is from Laos and came here when she was 4 years old as a refugee from the Communists with her family. She never got her citizenship (long story) but was a legal "Resident Alien" when I met her. My dad was born on a farm in England and came to the US when he was 5, got his citizenship asap. Remind me to tell you the story of how I was almost an Aussie...LOL.

Immediately after getting married my wife and I both wanted that she get naturalized as quickly as possible. We could have waited the X# of years (5 years I think?) before it became automatic, but she and I both wanted to do it ASAP. My wife wanted to be a US Citizen BADLY, and also to take my last name. The man she was with before me was also from Laos and didn't have these pro-US feeling. Get it?

I didn't have to explain the reasons to her for becoming a US Citizen. She heard the story over and over again about how her dad, then in the Laos Army, got my wife, her brother, her mom and himself onto a boat that was shot at as it escaped Laos. Luckily they all escaped the Communists...and are my family now. Great people.

I just can't imagine someone saying "F-it! I don't want to be an American Citizen any more!" unless they are either a flaming Communist or out of their mind (same thing).

[cstone]

Advantages????

Well you could gin up several identity and financial fraud schemes while committing felony tax evasion. You could annoy every other person in the US with frivolous law suits including every politician, judge, and law enforcement official (local, state, and federal) to the point that everyone who maintains citizenship in the USA would be willing to pay for your room/board and health care during a long stretch at Club Fed.

So if you really would like to be a sovereign citizen and you have aspirations of spending lots of time doing pushups and situps with your bunkmate in your 6x8, Via con Dios!

Be safe.

[ruthabagah]

Let me chime on this one: I know people who renounced their US citizenship. It's for the Taxes. Basically, no matter where you live you will always as a US citizen owe some money to the tax man. Even if you live abroad, have a business abroad and no income in the US you have to report your foreign income and be taxed here....

Personally, I wouldn't do it for an empire! And I know that one day I will have pay tax in 2 countries.

[Atrain1]

Let me chime on this one: I know people who renounced their US citizenship. It's for the Taxes. Basically, no matter where you live you will always as a US citizen owe some money to the tax man. Even if you live abroad, have a business abroad and no income in the US you have to report your foreign income and be taxed here....

Personally, I wouldn't do it for an empire! And I know that one day I will have pay tax in 2 countries.

I agree I could not find to much info on it but what I did find was not good. It is usually done by extremest who blow things up or hurt law enforcement, I really wish i would not have looked it and hope that anyone monitoring my computer (if doing so) does not think that I have any kind of assotiation with these type of people nor do I want to.

[blacklabel]

I agree I could not find to much info on it but what I did find was not good. It is usually done by extremest who blow things up or hurt law enforcement, I really wish i would not have looked it and hope that anyone monitoring my computer (if doing so) does not think that I have any kind of assotiation with these type of people nor do I want to.

You were given the answer twice in this thread and then state that it's done by extremists that blow things up and hurt law enforcement?

Here it is a third time with a whole article on why people do it.

Should You Renounce Your U.S. Citizenship?

[Atrain1]

You were given the answer twice in this thread and then state that it's done by extremists that blow things up and hurt law enforcement?

Here it is a third time with a whole article on why people do it.

Should You Renounce Your U.S. Citizenship?

This is what I was talking about. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement

[jerrymrc]

All yours gang........

[sroz]

All yours gang........