Guns vs.....

[b52buff]

Let us take a look at what kills and injures people. How many people get killed each year by someone texting or on a cell phone each year? They have not banned mobile devices have they? How many people got killed or injured on 9/11/2001. They haven't banned airplanes have they?


If these politicians are so sure that banning most guns ( as some idiots want ) why aren't they banning mobile devices and airplanes to keep us safe?

[baglock1]

Because EVERYONE uses mobile devices and airplanes. With firearms, they can pit one part of society against the other. They wouldn't be able to do that with phones.

I'm sure your post was made with tongue firmly planted in cheek, but since when have bans actually been about safety? This is politics and control, nothing more.

[TS12000]

Because its never been about actual deaths and violence, its about control and lessening resistance. Unfortunately there's a whole lot of people that have been brainwashed that they are all safe all the time, that their own government would never do wrong, and those damn things aren't needed. Perfect storm.

[Great-Kazoo]

Because its never been about actual deaths and violence, its about control and lessening resistance. Unfortunately there's a whole lot of people that have been brainwashed that they are all safe all the time, that their own government would never do wrong, and those damn things aren't needed. Perfect storm.

Once again the above statement is correct.
It's not about "SAFETY" it is all about CONTROL, KNOWING WHAT IS BEST FOR YOU.

[HBARleatherneck]

believe me if the government thought it could control automobiles more it would. but, like stated above everyone drives, so people wouldnt put up with it.

i guarantee the government and its lackies would love to have checkpoints everywhere. for safety of course.

[Kraven251]

Gov't does have some control over vehicles, it is called On-Star.

Just wait soon there will be a background check on compound bows.

[ChadAmberg]

Remember, for gun control advocates, it has absolutely nothing to do with guns themselves.

It's all about YOU having guns. They'd be fine if it was their side with all the guns.

Since you have guns, they have significantly less power to force you to do their political bidding. And you're too smart for their persuasion to work.

[co.culliganman]

believe me if the government thought it could control automobiles more it would. but, like stated above everyone drives, so people wouldnt put up with it.

i guarantee the government and its lackies would love to have checkpoints everywhere. for safety of course.

They will be and have been. "Black boxes" in new cars to monitor your every move including charging you road taxes by the mile. I have rid myself of all cars that are newer. My newest rig is 1972 C10 P/U.

[MarkCO]

Take a look at the Progressive Insurance SnapshotSM...

Now, culliganman needs a new tinfoil hat. The data, and cost to collect and store, from just one automobile is pretty asstounding. The average car has well over 100 sensors and the scan rate are in the milliseconds. Datalogging for a mile creates a massive file to analyze. The vast majority of data storage in the modern automobile is for a dozen or so select sensors and then just a few seconds, typically 5 to 10. My little handy-dandy interface and laptop connected to the proper port can tell me mileage, key cycles, and VIN. Depending on the vehicle, I might also get if the rev limiter has been hit, anit-lock brake data and throttle position maps. If you are in an accident and there is near-deployment or deployment data on the airbag module (required by law on 2013 vehicles) I will also get seatbelt, headlight, velocity and acceleration maps. The near deployment is volatile, the deployment is a hard burn.

The "easy" big three for the OPs question is probably McDonalds, Cigarettes and Alcohol, of which only alcohol accounts for deaths of innocents. Knives, blunt objects and ladders are pretty high up on the list. Nothing is even close to "terminated pregnancies" which are abortions, and are still listed in the annual death tallies in the US.

[co.culliganman]

Take a look at the Progressive Insurance SnapshotSM...

Now, culliganman needs a new tinfoil hat. The data, and cost to collect and store, from just one automobile is pretty asstounding. The average car has well over 100 sensors and the scan rate are in the milliseconds. Datalogging for a mile creates a massive file to analyze. The vast majority of data storage in the modern automobile is for a dozen or so select sensors and then just a few seconds, typically 5 to 10. My little handy-dandy interface and laptop connected to the proper port can tell me mileage, key cycles, and VIN. Depending on the vehicle, I might also get if the rev limiter has been hit, anit-lock brake data and throttle position maps. If you are in an accident and there is near-deployment or deployment data on the airbag module (required by law on 2013 vehicles) I will also get seatbelt, headlight, velocity and acceleration maps. The near deployment is volatile, the deployment is a hard burn.

The "easy" big three for the OPs question is probably McDonalds, Cigarettes and Alcohol, of which only alcohol accounts for deaths of innocents. Knives, blunt objects and ladders are pretty high up on the list. Nothing is even close to "terminated pregnancies" which are abortions, and are still listed in the annual death tallies in the US.

I dont look good in tin.........This is from the USDOT website. I do not expect the gubment will take our word for it so they need to mileage somehow. I do not know if it will comee to fruition or not. Electric cars are also a problem for DOT's as they use the roads but do not pay gas taxes. The insurance companies are pushing for the black boxes to be installed so they can lay blame and not rely on "eyewitnesses".

December 30, 2008

In Case You Missed It: Oregon Governor Pushes for Mileage Tax

The Associated Press reported on Monday that Oregon Governor Kulongoski is proposing that the state legislature adopt a state mileage tax to compensate for the state transportation funding shortfalls. The proposal is part of the Governor’s transportation bill for the upcoming 2009 legislative session.
“As Oregonians drive less and demand more fuel-efficient vehicles, it is increasingly important that the state find a new way, other than the gas tax, to finance our transportation system,” Governor Kulongoski said.
This is one example of the type of innovative solutions I have been encouraging local and state officials to consider over the last few months. There are fundamental problems to our current system of financing transportation infrastructure across the country, and these problems will only be solved if our community leaders tap into creative alternatives.
Read the entire story here and let me know your thoughts.
Governor Kulongoski's proposal is based on a yearlong Road User Fee Pilot Program that the Oregon Department of Transportation launched in April 2006. A thoughtful analysis of the pilot program by Anthony Rufolo, Professor of Urban Studies and Planning, Portland State University and Visiting Transportation Scholar at US DOT

This is from the National Motorist Association:

What's In Store For Black Boxes?

For years now, without any knowledge on the part of most motorists, several car manufacturers have been installing Electronic Data Recorders (EDRs), popularly known as black boxes, in the vehicles they produce.

There are more than 30 million cars and trucks on the road equipped with these devices, and that number is rising exponentially. The endorsement of this controversial technology by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) will only hasten its growth.

When questions arise regarding the use of black boxes, so-called experts at the NTSB respond with vagaries. In part, this is because of the difference between various types of EDRs. Put simply, black boxes are not created equal. All of these devices record data at the time of an accident; However, they vary greatly as to precisely what information is recorded, the duration of data collection, and how accessible their findings are.

To address these disparities, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) called for the standardization of EDRs, and issued guidelines requiring all black boxes to record the specific pieces of information in an easily downloadable format. NHTSA safety engineer, John Hinch, claims that the regulations were made solely to facilitate crash research.

Hinch, and others at both NHTSA and the NTSB, are quick to downplay the fact that insurers and lawyers are increasingly using EDR data to determine fault in accidents.

Despite their best efforts to mollify public concern, it's clear that this potential use of black boxes cannot be overlooked. Motorists have already had their insurance claims denied or even been charged with crimes based on the data collected by these devices.

Black boxes may be growing in prevalence, but this only increases the need for their regulation.

Laws stipulating that vehicle owners also own the data being collected by black boxes are necessary. The motorist, not his or her insurance company or the authorities, should have the sole right to release this information.

In addition, for motorists to truly be in charge of this data, auto dealerships must be required to tell consumers that such a device is in their vehicle and they must be willing to help owners who want to have their black boxes disabled. NHTSA does call for disclosure of the device in every owner's manual, but more widespread publicity is needed because few people consult the manual.

Carmakers expressed concerns that the disclosure requirements hinder the installation of more black boxes because of possible negative reactions by customers.

In other words, if the public were actually informed about this issue, they would never stand for black boxes being installed in their vehicles.

I dont know what the future holds but I know that my old cars will never support whatever electronic monitoring is required. I agree that Progressive snapshot might be a good thing for the good driver (BTW, I have never had any kind of ticket, I am 49YO). But the bad driver will be penalized or dropped. Peter Lewis is also the founder of Progressive, a very large liberal contributor.

Again, I look terrible in tin......