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    So where is the ACLU in all of this ? They will defend WBC right to protest at funerals...why aren't they defending the 2A with the fervor they go after the 1A. I just haven't seen a peep out of them on this.
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    People who are members of a gun centric forum who claim to have no guns, due to a "boating accident" or "selling them all" perplex me.

    Are we already so afraid of our government that we can not admit publicly that we own arms? Yet you have no problems posting here?

    I'm sorry, it's a running joke, haha. It's not funny anymore. It's sad.

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    Sold all my guns and paid cash for all our families Christmas gifts. No credit card debt!

    Don't want the hassle of firearms anymore.

    But I still like reading and watching TV shows about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodburbon View Post
    People who are members of a gun centric forum who claim to have no guns, due to a "boating accident" or "selling them all" perplex me.

    Are we already so afraid of our government that we can not admit publicly that we own arms? Yet you have no problems posting here?

    I'm sorry, it's a running joke, haha. It's not funny anymore. It's sad.
    I'm thinking this is an instance where we do need to get up and do something then... "When people fear the government there is tyranny"- seems to me like a lot of folks on here are feeling the pressures of tyranny already.
    "There is no news in the truth, and no truth in the news."
    "The revolution will not be televised... Instead it will be filmed from multiple angles via cell phone cameras, promptly uploaded to YouTube, Tweeted about, and then shared on Facebook, pending a Wi-Fi connection."

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    Every day I wake up and read more BS coming from the media and politicians. It makes me so mad. We'll see what actually comes down the pipeline in January but it's not looking good. Just the fact that they are "considering" this sickens me.

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    If everyone who ever bought an AR got serious about writing to their legislators, we'd have this nonsense shut down immediately. And we'd put paid to the failed Brady Campaign/VPC people once and for all.
    Sayonara

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    Quote Originally Posted by kraven251 View Post
    So where is the ACLU in all of this ? They will defend WBC right to protest at funerals...why aren't they defending the 2A with the fervor they go after the 1A. I just haven't seen a peep out of them on this.
    The ACLU is openly anti 2A. Here's what their official position is.

    Quote Originally Posted by American Communist Lawyers Union
    Second Amendment
    Gun Control
    Updated: 7/8/2008

    The Second Amendment provides: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
    ACLU POSITION
    Given the reference to "a well regulated Militia" and "the security of a free State," the ACLU has long taken the position that the Second Amendment protects a collective right rather than an individual right. For seven decades, the Supreme Court's 1939 decision in United States v. Miller was widely understood to have endorsed that view.
    The Supreme Court has now ruled otherwise. In striking down Washington D.C.'s handgun ban by a 5-4 vote, the Supreme Court's 2008 decision in D.C. v. Heller held for the first time that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to keep and bear arms, whether or not associated with a state militia.
    The ACLU disagrees with the Supreme Court's conclusion about the nature of the right protected by the Second Amendment. We do not, however, take a position on gun control itself. In our view, neither the possession of guns nor the regulation of guns raises a civil liberties issue.
    ANALYSIS
    Although ACLU policy cites the Supreme Court's decision in U.S. v. Miller as support for our position on the Second Amendment, our policy was never dependent on Miller. Rather, like all ACLU policies, it reflects the ACLU's own understanding of the Constitution and civil liberties.
    Heller takes a different approach than the ACLU has advocated. At the same time, it leaves many unresolved questions, including what firearms are protected by the Second Amendment, what regulations (short of an outright ban) may be upheld, and how that determination will be made.
    Modern liberalism is based on the idea that reality is obligated to conform to one's beliefs because; "I have the right to believe whatever I want".

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    "Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people."
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    A World Without Guns <- Great Read!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zundfolge View Post
    The ACLU is openly anti 2A. Here's what their official position is.
    Yay! ...fucking wankers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick0685 View Post
    that would suck for those that had guns...sold all of mine over the panic
    Interesting, so did I. Couldn't resist the markups!

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