Mccain....

[robsterclaw]

You'd know what his track record was if you looked it up and stopped parroting things you hear on the radio/TV. McCain to most people is just a "moderate" (thats "bad") and Hillary/Obama are "liberal". How about looking up what positions they take and what history they have before basing your opinon on what other people say?

And again, to the ones that think with a radical leftest will come a "renewal"... who exactly, is going to lead that? Who is going to participate? Your going to be hard pressed to find any volunteers - the only way you can use a gun collection, btw, is if your alive to use it. Your very imaginative if you think that is a possibility in the slightest. Where was the "renewal" for all the past liberal presidents (and firearm bans) we have had? Hate to tell you, but the prospects don't get better with time.

http://www.issues2000.org/2008/John_...un_Control.htm

There you go!

It's been a 2 party system since around the civil war. The 2 party system sucks, but that's what we have to work with and it's sure better then most countries. Lament all you want on how it should be and how people should just vote for their best candidate and then sit back and watch the other side give away your tax money to welfare queens and take away the guns because that's the attitude that gives them the power. In a perfect world, you don't like the republican candidates then you vote for some else and they would listen and put up better candidates in 4 years. Won't happen. They will go the opposite direction and try to go more middle of the road (see more liberal) to try and sneak some votes away from independents who could go either repub or dem.

Oh and it's been 22 years since the full auto ban. How many times has it been attempted to overturn that, and how successful has that been. Reagan signed that piece of shit legislation to appease the gun grabbers. Were they appeased? Did they take their win and let it go?

[bryjcom]

Now, who would have thought McCain would be bought out by Soros?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...w&pageId=56177

Sure he is NO different than any other dummycrat

[Wallary]

Well at least he's a Patriot.

From a speech made by Capt. John S. McCain, US, (Ret) who represents Arizona in the U.S. Senate: As you may know, I spent five and one half years as a prisoner of war during the Vietnam War. In the early years of our imprisonment, the NVA kept us in solitary confinement or two or three to a cell. In 1971 the NVA moved us from these conditions of isolation into large rooms with as many as 30 to 40 men to a room. This was, as you can imagine, a wonderful change and was a direct result of the efforts of millions of Americans on behalf of a few hundred POWs 10,000 miles from home.
One of the men who moved into my room was a young man named Mike Christian. Mike came from a small town near Selma, Alabama. He didn't wear a pair of shoes until he was 13 years old. At 17, he enlisted in the US Navy. He later earned a commission by going to Officer Training School. Then he became a Naval Flight Officer and was shot down and captured in 1967. Mike had a keen and deep appreciation of the opportunities this country-and our military-provide for people who want to work and want to succeed. As part of the change in treatment, the Vietnamese allowed some prisoners to receive packages from home. In some of these packages were handkerchiefs, scarves and other items of clothing. Mike got himself a bamboo needle.
Over a period of a couple of months, he created an American flag and sewed on the inside of his shirt. Every afternoon, before we had a bowl of soup, we would hang Mike's shirt on the wall of the cell and say the Pledge of Allegiance. I know the Pledge of Allegiance may not seem the most important part of our day now, but I can assure you that in that stark cell it was indeed the most important and meaningful event.
One day the Vietnamese searched our cell, as they did periodically, and discovered Mike's shirt with the flag sewn inside, and removed it. That evening they returned, opened the door of the cell, and for the benefit of all us, beat Mike Christian severely for the next couple of hours.
Then, they opened the door of the cell and threw him in. We cleaned him up as well as we could. The cell in which we lived had a concrete slab in the middle on which we slept. Four naked light bulbs hung in each corner of the room. As said, we tried to clean up Mike as well as we could. After the excitement died down, I looked in the corner of the room, and sitting there beneath that dim light bulb with a piece of red cloth, another shirt and his bamboo needle, was my friend, Mike Christian. He was sitting there with his eyes almost shut from the beating he had received, making another American flag.
He was not making the flag because it made Mike Christian feel better. He was making that flag because he knew how important it was to us to be able to Pledge our allegiance to our flag and country.
So the next time you say the Pledge of Allegiance, you must never forget the sacrifice and courage that thousands of Americans have made to build our nation and promote freedom around the world.
You must remember our duty, our honor, and our country.
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

[sniper7]

I'll vote for McCain any day over Hillary or Obama.

Who would you vote for:

Obama: Pot smokin hippy muslim pulling the race card...

Clinton: Gun grabbing, run down hooker that looks like a man, but pulls the v-a-g-i-n-a card...

McCain: American badass who spent years of his life fighting for the country we live in and then sat as a POW for several more years.

[Wallary]

I'll vote for McCain any day over Hillary or Obama.

Who would you vote for:

Obama: Pot smokin hippy muslim pulling the race card...

Clinton: Gun grabbing, run down hooker that looks like a man, but pulls the v-a-g-i-n-a card...

McCain: American badass who spent years of his life fighting for the country we live in and then sat as a POW for several more years.

I'm with ya Sniper7, McCain all the way. I just hope we get a good VP in there.

[Delphi]

I agree with Clinton/Obama statements but did Alzheimers make Mccain forget about his Americanism/Patriotism or what he fought for?

I guess we can hope for a "Hey look I’m not a tard!" out of his VP eh? LoL

Nope not voting for a scumbag, at least not if I know he's a scumbag. I don’t care how much good you've done in the past, if your crap now nothing can change that unless you stop being crap.


Some of the most interesting things about mccain concerning gun views. http://www.issues2000.org/2008/John_...un_Control.htm

"I don't own one now." - Gotta love how he plays his Vietnam card before he says that, great tactic politically, but isn't that card getting warn our or perhaps a bit too greasy yet?

"McCain favors outlawing cheaply made handguns called Saturday night specials" - I guess poor people don’t deserve to defend themselves? Perhaps the gubberment will pay people the difference between costs for a cheap firearm and a spiffy one?

"McCain said he was open to voting for an assault weapon ban, depending on the details." - Oooo ebil guns!

"We need to focus on halting the spread of violent crime and punishing violent criminals who abuse their Second Amendment rights, while preserving those same rights for law-abiding Americans" - OOO great a law that will help put police, border patrol and FBI in jail if they make a mistake while on duty! Sounds smart!


Bottom line is this guy is as scummy as a politician can get, and no matter how much he plays his Vietnam card it won’t cover all that grease. Any one of those points above would be enough to get a no vote from me. We don’t need more scum like him nor do we need more scum from the republican party.

Stop settling for less, go for the best.

[Great-Kazoo]

so i gather the bottom line is
you're not voting for McCain. what do you plan to do regarding your local electors?
i'm sure there is some vague statement they made, that will have you not voting for them as well.

[sniper7]

but you have to take the lesser of all the evils, just look at where these people are coming from (power wise).

I know what mccains background is and his previous voting. At least he is from AZ where they have some pretty good gun laws.

Obama is from Illinois....one of the worst gun law states. Do you want to have to own an ID card to go to wal-mart to buy ammo?

Hitlery is from NY...nuff said.

I know McCain has said some stupid **** about our gun laws, and unfortunately so has everyone one else. But we know for fact that hillary and obama and surely to go for our guns where McCain is much less likely and more easily pursuaded by the true repubs that will tell him that is a bad idea.

At best we could hope for a all out pro-gun VP that will advise McCain not to do anything rash about our guns.

In the end, the Heller case will have the potential to have a huge impact on the future of what we can and can't own, no matter who is in office.

Voting independant is a wasted vote. sure, you get to say right now that you are ****ed at all the scumbags running around kissing everyones *** looking for a vote. but in the end, do you remember what percentage the independants got last election, or the one before that? nope...you remember who won and who lost. if you are good you might remember who were the top 4 candidates during the primaries.

So I ask you to think in that sense about your vote. Either you go with a partial scumbag who has done the country some good, or you go with the either of the gun-grabbers in all their racial or feminist glory saying they are the "change", or you go for an independant who is there to put some ideas on the tables and accept the votes of those too ****ed off at the scumbags. In the end, all politicians suck, but we have limited choices.

[Delphi]

Some of the local R guys in Arizona are ok, and they will get my vote, and some of them are complete scum in which case my vote will be going to I.

And i disagree with the lesser of two evils statement, because that’s why our country is going down the tubes.

We as a nation have accepted the lesser of two evils for a LONG time, too long and what has that given us? Has that been successful in bringing our nations back to its old glory? Or has it continued us down the path of self destruction?

In all honesty sure, voting I may not change things over night towards the way I want it, but I can no longer consciously approve the destruction of my country by voting for those who continue to do so. And a vote for someone is a vote for someone, not a vote against anyone else, that is the wrong mindset, it is flawed logic.

Voting along party lines does not help it only delays the inevitable, I'd rather have the inevitable now, so that I can deal with it as I see fit rather than be too old to deal with it when it comes around, and shove it off on my kids. At that point I would feel that I had failed as an free thinking American and human at that.

How would you feel as an old geezer sitting in a retirement home, watching news seeing Nazi's having taken over, and knowing that YOUR CHILDREN have to deal with the issue?

Liberals throw what you got at US! WE CAN DEAL WITH IT! JUST DO IT NOW, DONT LET IT KILL US SLOWLEY. LET THEM HAVE WHAT THEY WANT SO WE CAN FIGHT THEM! Nothing hurts more than truly loosing RIGHTS that you are used to.

[sniper7]

+1 for what foxtrot said.

It is better to punish those who are criminals than to punish everyone.