Mccain....

[Delphi]

I agree with punishing those that break the law, but in some instances if you are carrying a gun and break a law while doing so they could technically throw you in jail just for that and tack on an extra 10 years. Like they did with border patrol agents, but could you immagine if you were caught speeding and than thrown in jail for 10 years because you had your CCW on you?


Anyways I see where you guys are coming from I really do... I used to have your exact same viewpoint a few years ago. But really i havent seen stuff improve... when your liberal party is ultra liberal and your conservative party is very moderate you know stuff is going in the wrong direction... I guess I'm just very frustrated to say the least and I dont want to see them taking our rights away bit by bit and than us ending up with none and thinking thats normal... because it seems like americans dont mind as long as they only take away small things... Who determines whats small?

[robsterclaw]

Put your political view point in a real life situation. You have cancer(liberalism). You can take the treatment (vote for the lessor of 2 evils) and live a few years longer (keep some of your rights longer). Or you can not help yourself (vote "I") because you'll feel better until you die faster.

[Delphi]

Very interesting analogy, and definatly some food for thought... i personally dont know whether i'd rather have a few more years and than end up dieng miserably, or die within a few months but do so with relativley no pain and very fast...

Sure extra years are great and let you tie up some loose ends... but is the sufferring worth it?

It's definatly all food for thought, and I personally am a pesimist when it comes to the current state of the USA, but I strongly believe that we as a people can change it. All we need is some motivation to get off our lazy lard asses So perhaps i'm a pessimistic optimist

I guess the real question is how long do we as a people have before our rights go away with plan A and whats the chance of us winning through plan B?

See cause i actually see a slim chance that we can pull out of this with a victory... and that slim chance is going with the fastest most radical decline, because it will wake americans up. Sure its a slim chance, but isnt that better than no chance?

[MuzzleFlash]

..... He'll only pick supreme court justices that will preserve his precious McCain-Feingold 1st Amendment Abrogation Law NOT strict constructionalists (in fact I bet they'll be the exact same people that Hillary or Obama would pick). He'll sign pretty much any gun control legislation the dems give him ....

I probably won't vote for McCain either. But I disagree with the statements above. McCain will want justices that will uphold his attack on the first amendment, but they won't be ACLU f-tards like Ruth Bader-Ginsberg.

McCain has not historically supported gun bans, but he has screwed us on gun show sales, un-safe storage and trigger locks. He will jump on any ill-conceived bandwagon to "keep guns out of the wrong hands". Well, if we kept the sociopaths and violent felons locked up forever, maybe we wouldn't need these stupid laws, huh John?

On the very small plus side, McCain voted against the AWB renewal and for ending junk lawsuits against gun manufacturers. That law contained a safe harbor provision for guns that are "safely stored" so if someone snatches your FA Uzi by peeling your garage safe while you're on vacation, you don't get sued out of house and home. It also contains the stupid trigger lock provision.

If he picks Romney as veep, I'm definitely not voting for that ticket. I stood up at my caucus and told all the mormons that showed up what Romney had done to gun owners as MA governor. Very few cared. In the end, there were 35 votes for Romney, 5 for McCain 2 for Huckabee, and 1 for Ron Paul. Guess which one I voted for.