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[RJLou]

They shouldn't have really done that but I don't think it's that big of a deal. And nothing is "registered" in your name, even if they did have a serial number. A 4473 DOES NOT equal registration of a firearm.

While it's not registration it's still record. On Sunday my buddy (former ffl) told me the BATFE sent him a letter asking for his records from 1987 because he had sold a gun that was used in a crime. I'd venture to guess the person it was transferred to will be contacted soon.

Don't wanna hijack, but Bailey (or any other ffl's) have any of you ever received a similar letter?

[R&S]

I have had a few telephone calls requesting copies of 4473s, however, I think the intent of "registation" is for input into a database for "forward" tracking meaning you can sort on a caliber and city, etc. Currently it is what I call "back" tracking. ATF&E will get a serial number from a firearm (that could be from a crime scene) then go to the manufacturer that provides tracking to the wholesaler (unless factory direct) to the FFL dealer, then the dealer will fax a copy of the 4473 that identifies the buyer to ATF&E. I believe Colorado has about 15000 type 1 ffl dealers currently. Oh, and posting on this forum "I lost my rifle when my boat sank" or something similar is really stupid (in my opinion). You don't think the ATF looks at the different forums? Just my opinion again.

[R&S]

oh, FFLs only keep their records for 20 years

[RJLou]

oh, FFLs only keep their records for 20 years

He said that was the case when he closed but wasn't sure if that had changed in the last 15-20 years. he sent in all his paperwork they required when he closed up. So I guess if he didn't have any info or logs he would be in the clear since it was 25 years ago.

[Stevensje]

Yes, I did.^^^^

[Ridge]

Yes, I did.^^^^

If you filled out a 4473, then they had to have a serial number to record for the sale. So there is a gun out there matching the one you agreed to buy.

[275RLTW]

Sale was completed when they took your money and you passed the appropriate checks. Not having the product there at that time is a logistical issue, not a consumer/merchant one. They owe you a rifle. It was YOUR rifle once they legally sold it to you. It was no longer their rifle at that point. You have a solid lawsuit if you wanted to persue it.

[MarkCO]

First, I would not sign a 4473 without verifying the serial number myself. If I am not mistaken, the FFL is supposed to confirm the serial number visually, so they may be in violation of BATF regs.

I guess if I had made that trusting error, I would want the original 4473 in my hands, or the rifle for which I signed.

[TAR31]

Make sure to use the gift card, if you don't they wont be out anything. Just make sure you don't spend 1 cent over the $100.

[roberth]

They jacked you over. They owe you a rifle.