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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingo View Post
    Never understood the appeal of bullpups... it's moving the grip forward, not reducing the OAL.
    Not at all. The barrel and bolt moves back toward your shoulder, inside the body of the weapon. Great CQB design.
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    i like that they're going to have 5.45 barrels available
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    Quote Originally Posted by jreifsch80 View Post
    i like that they're going to have 5.45 barrels available
    When they come out with a 300 BLK conversion, I will sell stuff to buy one if I have to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingo View Post
    Never understood the appeal of bullpups... it's moving the grip forward, not reducing the OAL.
    Like Tuefulhund said they eliminate most of the buttstock by moving the receiver back to your shoulder.
    The Norinco MAK90 is 8 3/4 inches shorter with K-VAR bullpup stock installed.
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    A Saiga 12 is 9 1/4 inches shorter with a Kushnapup stock installed.
    A Mossberg 500 Bullpup is 11 inches shorter than the Mossberg 500 it is based on.
    My Ruger 10/22 is 7 1/2 inches shorter than the carbine I started with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingo View Post
    Never understood the appeal of bullpups... it's moving the grip forward, not reducing the OAL.
    Compared to a 10.5" SBR...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingo View Post
    Never understood the appeal of bullpups... it's moving the grip forward, not reducing the OAL.
    The Tavor (24") with a 16" barrel is shorter than the M4 (33" with stock extended for shooting) with a 14.5" barrel.
    The point of a bullpup is not to shorten the overall length either... it is to move the weight back closer to your shoulder. When you are not supporting as much moving mass away from your body it is easier to keep it steady and therefore more accurate. Secondly, by keeping the weapon closer to your body and having a smaller overall length you can traverse obstacles and maneuver in tight quarters easier.

    Another example is the Kel-Tec RFB (26" with a 18" Barrel) compared with a FN FAL(30" w/ a 17.2" Barrel) or a PTR-91 (40.4" with a 17.7" barrel)

    In these examples a bullpup design makes perfect sense. The biggest flaw with most of the bullpup conversion designs is the triggers... or the trigger transfer systems because the trigger/hammer mechanism is so far removed from the actually trigger and they get a lot of creep and movement.
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    This thing looks amazing!

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    I have beenreallyhappy with my AUG, but I would like to try one of these too. Been wanting to try one for awhille.

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    I'd throw my FS2000 in a ditch for one...and I really like my FS2000

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