Private FTF Gun Sales

[R&S]

[Great-Kazoo]

What I was referring to is if a FFL merely wants to help to secure as a favor, a BG check and has absolutely NO intention of making any type of transfer or even handling the potential firearm IF it even exists..... He is only making the BG call and does not have the firearm in his possession. The CBI would have no idea that the FFL does not intend to actually run the subject firearm through his books, he is merely contacting them to make the BG check. He'd charge the $10 fee (IF made at a gun show) for the check and who'd possibly know what he had done except the guy who was asking him to get the BG check. Although I am not an FFL dealer, I sure can't see any law being circumvented or broken for such an action but I am not in any way saying that I am an expert (at ANYTHING). Wonder if the above is considered as facilitating??
If I remember correctly, the CBI does not get any serial number or even description for the firearm, they do ask if the firearm involved is a handgun or long gun...

According to Webster - Facilitate = to make easy or easier.

That is correct. However they do ask for your ID / FFL #. Without it TFB. Once again, If any ffl calls a gun it, it's getting logged in.

[ChadAmberg]

OK, so from the responses, I'm think I'm right when I say, that going to an FFL to have a background check done for a private sale does nothing for the folks who think that it will "get the gun out of their name", since the firearm information is not logged, unless they actually hand over the firearm to the FFL as a consignment type situation.

[merl]

OK, so from the responses, I'm think I'm right when I say, that going to an FFL to have a background check done for a private sale does nothing for the folks who think that it will "get the gun out of their name", since the firearm information is not logged, unless they actually hand over the firearm to the FFL as a consignment type situation.

it would get a gun out of your name though, as much as it was ever 'in your name'. that 4473 has to stay on file with the FFL. years later the cops come to you asking about the gun, you say "I sold it to X. This FFL did the transfer" That FFL is required to keep that record, or they had sent it back to the ATF. Thats how they trace it to you after all, that's the only way a gun is in your name.

As for finding a FFL that will do such a transfer.. Doubt many would want to, at least not cheaply.

edit: added this

That's my question... The FFL shouldn't be "taking possession" at any point. I mean, how would that work? The seller hands over the weapon to the FFL, who logs it in, then processes a check on the buyer. The buyer fails... guess what? Now the FFL has to run a check on the seller. What if he fails also? Now the FFL has possession of a firearm that they should not have. The seller is boned at that point... what can he do? Sell it to the FFL who may not want it?

I guess this leads into the whole "do not do more than the law requires."

missed that part. Was thinking of filling out the 4473 at the FFL, not just having them run the check. That situation you describe leads me to think not many would want to do it that way because what do you do..

[KevDen2005]

I've had a first born child and an ex wife offered..... I turned both down.

Don't lie, I know you have the ex wife in your basement.

[Jumpstart]

BOS? Nah. I won't cultivate the notion that they are necessary for private sales. I want less strings attached in my business dealings, not more.

[spqrzilla]

Go run your own background check:
https://www.cbirecordscheck.com/inde...ookieSupport=1

[BlasterBob]

That is correct. However they do ask for your ID / FFL #. Without it TFB. Once again, If any ffl calls a gun it, it's getting logged in.

"it's getting logged in".
Correct, but this will be done ONLY by the CBI. They will "log" in the ID of the FFL making the BG request, the name of the buyer and if the firearm is a long gun or hand gun - no serial number, caliber or other description.

Sorry to appear to be "beating a dead" horse but I believe this is correct.

[hatidua]

Years ago, I asked people to sign a BOS as I wanted a piece of paper listing a date after which that gun was no longer mine. After having given it a bit more thought, I don't do any more than the law requires now. If the person is over 21, a resident of CO, and states that they can legally own, we're off to the races.

I wouldn't worry too much about the FTF issue, -I highly doubt FTF sales will exist by the time Summer rolls around.

[Great-Kazoo]

Years ago, I asked people to sign a BOS as I wanted a piece of paper listing a date after which that gun was no longer mine. After having given it a bit more thought, I don't do any more than the law requires now. If the person is over 21, a resident of CO, and states that they can legally own, we're off to the races.

I wouldn't worry too much about the FTF issue, -I highly doubt PUBLIC ADVERTISED FTF sales will exist by the time Summer rolls around.