Senator Feinstein's Proposed 2013 Legislation

[Special Ed]

Obummer and feinfuck make me want to puke. Fucking errogant pissheads.

Holding back your true feelings is unhealthy

[wreave]

Can anyone find:
-the list of named exceptions
-the list of evil features

[Kraven251]

I was pretty sure evil feature number one was any firearm owned by a private citizen.

[Fmedges]

Can anyone find:
-the list of named exceptions
-the list of evil features

you have to pass it to see what's in it.

[Special Ed]

you have to pass it to see what's in it.

Exactly like

[SuperiorDG]

Given that we have somewhere in the neighborhood of 310,000,000 guns in the US and there were 8,583 gun murders in 2011 that make it .00276871% of the guns out there were used in a murder. That is assuming one gun was used for ever murder. I would bet a far larger percentage of those guns where used to stop crime. I've heard that over 2,000,000 crimes were stopped by guns. So tell me how this legislation is going to help stop crime. If we are looking to create the greatest good in our lives this is not it.

[Dave_L]

Given that we have somewhere in the neighborhood of 310,000,000 guns in the US and there were 8,583 gun murders in 2011 that make it .00276871% of the guns out there were used in a murder. That is assuming one gun was used for ever murder. I would bet a far larger percentage of those guns where used to stop crime. I've heard that over 2,000,000 crimes were stopped by guns. So tell me how this legislation is going to help stop crime. If we are looking to create the greatest good in our lives this is not it.

/me puts on his dem hat "But how many crimes were stopped by an AR-15?! I bet most of those were done via handguns and we aren't taking those away from you."

It's amazing that it's ok to pick and choose which rights to take away. Just wait until the politicians come for something all those gun-haters love...

[BPTactical]

Good luck Dianne, Heller REALLY muddies your wishes:

In regard to argument that only those arms in existence in 18th century are protected by Second Amendment, U.S. Supreme Court does not interpret constitutional rights that way; just as First Amendment protects modern forms of communications and Fourth Amendment applies to modern forms of search, Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at time of founding. District of Columbia v Heller (2008, US) 128 S Ct 2783, 171 L Ed 2d 637, 21 FLW Fed S 497.

[Jefe's AR]

"No one Is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it."

"All citizens and legal residents of the United States, by their presence on the territory of the United States, are subject to the militia duty, the duty of the social compact that creates the society, which requires that each, alone and in concert with others, not only obey the Constitution and constitutional official acts, but help enforce them, if necessary, at the risk of one's life."

This.

[battle_sight_zero]

Someone in our history already said it best. The first line is why I own arms.........

The Right to Bear Arms

In a nation governed by the people themselves, the possession of arms to defend their nation against usurpers within and without was deemed absolutely necessary. This right was protected by the 2nd Amendment.

"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
--Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.

"One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them."
--Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1796. ME 9:341

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the Body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind . . . Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
--Thomas Jefferson, Letter to his nephew Peter Carr, August 19, 1785.


"No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms (within his own lands or tenements)."
--Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution with (his note added), 1776. Papers, 1:353
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
--Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and Punishment (1764).