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Absolute bullshit. "I could have been killed." Maybe if the officer would have said, "Sir, your handicap placard is expired. I'm going to let you off with a warning"; then, there wouldn't have been an issue.
In NYC half of the transit cops on the subway are plainclothes . . . and a lot of them look like thugs too. Apparently they spend a lot of time trying to spot people who have pocketknives clipped to their pockets, getting in their face and hassling them before identifying themselves as NYPD and arresting them for the pocketknife. I am of the opinion that if a plainclothed or off duty policeman wants to approach a random citizen with the intent of possibly arresting him for a minor violation of the law, he should clearly identify himself as police and show identification so the citizen knows he's actually a cop and not some street whacko. It just seems like common sense.Originally Posted by Cameron
Kendev2005, this is not a personal attack on you, just on what you have written..
However: your "black and white" statement does not take away the fact that assaulting a LEO, or other "classified" persons, has special meaning when it comes down to the protection of law. Why should assaulting me or Joe Bob down the street equal any different protection than a LEO or the mayor of Denver?
A 10 year old being "charged" versus an 85 year old man incarcerated and levied with a $50K bond = not the same. But the physical output of her and a 85 year old man would be the same.
And why cannot "police be victims of other crimes"?
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start a cane buy back program .
The reason why I point out the black and white of it is because none of us here know the whole story. If it is as everyone says or thinks on this board I know for certain at my PD I would have disciplinary action. I know under the new chief at DPD there would most likely be disciplinary action. He is getting rid of so-called "problem children" in the department so that the PD can get its footing again and get more support from the public. The old days at DPD are going to be behind them in the near future. No matter what your feelings are with the new chief, that's the writing on the wall. Maybe a DPD guy on the board would like to chime in and give what he thinks, but at the lower lever I have heard numerous good things. The people I hear bitching over there are senior officers that don't do much or from someone who messed up and is getting fired rather than their job saved so hopefully a good cop can take his place. Again, if a DPD wants to say it better or correct me where I'm wrong, I'm all for it.
Now, plain clothes does not mean off-duty. Just because a suspect says one thing, doesn't always make it so, that is for the court to decide. The fact of the matter is, there apparently was enough probable cause to get a warrant written for the old guy. And I feel like a judge is pretty strict about stuff like that, in my experience.
I am well aware of what you mean with "At risk adults." Being "At risk" does not allow you to hit someone with a cane. Again, I don't know why the person was contacted by the plain clothes officer. I am pointing out the black and white of it. Was he really afraid for his life? Beats the crap out of me. I can tell you that a 90 year Gracie beat the crap out of an Army Ranger captain when the Army was first adopting Jiu Jitsu. I am sure the guy with a cane isn't a Jiu Jitsu master, but I don't know since I wasn't there. I would also suggest that if the officer was completely wrong than the PD would probably have dropped it to save embarrassment.
I can tell you that you should never assume if someone is better than you, that's how people get hurt. Was the officer wrong, I have no idea. I am pointing what the law says about charging felony assault. Again, if you strike can cause pain to a police officer or firefighter it now is 2nd degree assault in this state rather than 3rd degree. Again, that's what the law says. I can only assume why the legislature put that there. And yes, I have charged elderly people with crimes and young juveniles with crimes. Sometimes there is little discretion. The difference in charging is that the 10 year old could be charged exactly the same way but they are juvenile and special considerations have to be made. The juvenile could still be transported to a facility and held until bond, just like an adult.
The mayor doesn't get special provisions as far as I know, they are not a police officer or firefighter. The law is written with emergency service personnel in mind to try to better protect them from the people they are contacting would be my assumption.
An example would be that police can't be victims of harassment. If someone tells you that they will kill you that person can be charged. If someone tells me that they are going to kill me than that's just part of the job.
Did anybody catch my comment recently about my last trip to PetSmart? They had a uniformed, armed guard inside the store, by the door. In PetSmart in Parker!
Talk about a WTF? moment....
Working off duty means that your agency is hired to basically work security. For instance, Off-Duty positions for us include hospital security. Aurora used to get hired for a movie theater on Friday and Saturday nights. To everyone who hates cops on this board it looks like a ridiculous waste of tax payer dollars by the police. In reality, the money comes from the organization that hired them, i.e. the hospital or the movie theater.
It is similar to over time but over time is generally paid for by the city (tax payer).
If no one else answered this I hope this helps.
Un-fricken-believable. Explain it away all you want, but IMO nothing these guys did makes sense. A common sense deficiency. Pretty common lately.
If he had a cane sword I could see it being a deadly weapon. should have been in uniform. I question if thge cop presented himself as such and explained the enforcement other than just taking his sign. guy probably doesn't have much left in life and had to go through some crap to get a handicap permit. either way, unless the cop has some injuries it would be nice if they dropped the charges and helped the guy get a current permit.
So let me get this straight. When the news posts anything unrelated to police action no one on this board believes it and complains about how inept the media is. When something in the news is about the police it has now become gospel and there couldn't be any other way of how this may have gone down.
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