This could make things interesting

[theGinsue]

Is it just me, or does this administration seem hell-bent on taking this country into a civil war?

[Clint45]

Is it just me, or does this administration seem hell-bent on taking this country into a civil war?

Civil war implies two somewhat equally matched sides. On other continents sometimes the military overthrows the existing government, or there are tribal warlords who have access to heavy weapons and armor with thousands of troops.

No states have the balls to secede. The military is tightly controlled. All the militia groups in this country are infiltrated by the feds and filled with inbred dumbasses.

There will be no "civil war." There will be no "revolution." The few sporadic uprisings will be quelled very quickly and efficiently with gas, gunships, and media blackout.

The only thing that can save this country is a fucking asteroid strike. We have not one, but TWO, comets passing close to the Earth later this year. Keep your fingers crossed and hope one hits the East Coast.

[Fmedges]

Civil war implies two somewhat equally matched sides. On other continents sometimes the military overthrows the existing government, or there are tribal warlords who have access to heavy weapons and armor with thousands of troops.

No states have the balls to secede. The military is tightly controlled. All the militia groups in this country are infiltrated by the feds and filled with inbred dumbasses.

There will be no "civil war." There will be no "revolution." The few sporadic uprisings will be quelled very quickly and efficiently with gas, gunships, and media blackout.

The only thing that can save this country is a fucking asteroid strike. We have not one, but TWO, comets passing close to the Earth later this year. Keep your fingers crossed and hope one hits the East Coast.

I disagree. I think there are more people who wouldn't go along with this than you realize, LE and mil included. Not only is it the job of the mil to follow and protect the constitution, but all LE as well and of course the citizens. At least the LE and mil would fracture and at best the mil would march on Washington.

[Clint45]

I disagree. I think there are more people who wouldn't go along with this than you realize, LE and mil included. Not only is it the job of the mil to follow and protect the constitution, but all LE as well and of course the citizens. At least the LE and mil would fracture and at best the mil would march on Washington.

I truly hope I am wrong and you are right . . . but I don't see it happening. They'll tell the cops they'll lose their badges and pensions and go to prison. They'll tell the soldiers they'll be executed or at the very least get sent to federal prison followed by a dishonorable discharge. I'm sure a few will make a stand . . . but it will be very few and largely ineffectual. How would they organize and communicate? Social networking sites? Twitter? Email? Cell phone texts? SIGINT will be intercepted. NSA has that covered. I do not see any sort of coup or revolt being successful given our dependence on computers and electronic gadgetry, and people's unwillingness to risk losing their jobs and pensions.

[Fmedges]

I truly hope I am wrong and you are right . . . but I don't see it happening. They'll tell the cops they'll lose their badges and pensions and go to prison. They'll tell the soldiers they'll be executed or at the very least get sent to federal prison followed by a dishonorable discharge. I'm sure a few will make a stand . . . but it will be very few and largely ineffectual. How would they organize and communicate? Social networking sites? Twitter? Email? Cell phone texts? SIGINT will be intercepted. NSA has that covered. I do not see any sort of coup or revolt being successful given our dependence on computers and electronic gadgetry, and people's unwillingness to risk losing their jobs and pensions.

I'd rather not say what I think about communications, but instead of thinking about one huge organized effort, think more in terms of thousands of independent groups of people with the same goal.

[HoneyBadger]

I truly hope I am wrong and you are right . . . but I don't see it happening. They'll tell the cops they'll lose their badges and pensions and go to prison. They'll tell the soldiers they'll be executed or at the very least get sent to federal prison followed by a dishonorable discharge. I'm sure a few will make a stand . . . but it will be very few and largely ineffectual. How would they organize and communicate? Social networking sites? Twitter? Email? Cell phone texts? SIGINT will be intercepted. NSA has that covered. I do not see any sort of coup or revolt being successful given our dependence on computers and electronic gadgetry, and people's unwillingness to risk losing their jobs and pensions.

I completely agree here. A lot of the military force is comprised of young "kids" who are dirt poor and have nowhere else to turn. They rely on the benefits more than the paycheck and the thought of those benefits going away is very disheartening to a generation that has never had anything taken away from them. I know there are groups like the OathKeepers, but their only connection and method to communicate is through the internet, which would surely be one of the first things to be shut down. We rely far too heavily on modern communications, and when the internet and phones can all be monitored and controlled, that leaves any sort of resistance at such an astronomical disadvantage... The only way it would be close to a fair fight is if everyone lost the communication abilities and expensive military technologies with something like an EMP. ..But an EMP is one thing I truly hope I never live to see.

[Ronin13]

I truly hope I am wrong and you are right . . . but I don't see it happening. They'll tell the cops they'll lose their badges and pensions and go to prison. They'll tell the soldiers they'll be executed or at the very least get sent to federal prison followed by a dishonorable discharge. I'm sure a few will make a stand . . . but it will be very few and largely ineffectual. How would they organize and communicate? Social networking sites? Twitter? Email? Cell phone texts? SIGINT will be intercepted. NSA has that covered. I do not see any sort of coup or revolt being successful given our dependence on computers and electronic gadgetry, and people's unwillingness to risk losing their jobs and pensions.

Not a student of history are you? What happened with the insurgency in Iraq? The best example was what was taught to me by a former SF intel operator at Ft. Huachuca- "They soon realized they were fighting these futuristic warriors who are able to use the most advanced technology the earth has ever seen up to this point, so the insurgents went back in time, did a lot of face-to-face planning and rarely, if ever, used cell phones."

The other thing most don't acknowledge is the fact that LE and mil are just like you and I (ask any of the veterans and LE on here). There is nothing more demoralizing to a military unit than policing their own neighbors. If it happens, you'll see a rift in the ranks of both mil and LE.

[BPTactical]

Is it just me, or does this administration seem hell-bent on taking this country into a civil war?

And the light has shone........

I think this is by design, an easy way to suspend the Constitution and impose martial law.
The King has planned his subjects.
But the King underestimates his subjects.

Gonna get worse before it gets better.

[GilpinGuy]

And the light has shone........

I think this is by design, an easy way to suspend the Constitution and impose martial law.
The King has planned his subjects.
But the King underestimates his subjects.

Gonna get worse before it gets better.

I tell you what, I have heard some folks I know who nobody would think of as "gun nuts" at all just blow up (in the pro-gun sense) when the topic of gun bans has come up. I love it. It's not a country wide sample, I know.

I think the founders were right on with the 2A. Sadly, and hopefully not, some of us may see why it was put in there to begin with.

As far as "the people vs. the military" or "the people vs. law enforcement"....I really do struggle with this a bit. But I feel in the end (maybe after a while of torturous martial law, atrocities by the current Admin., etc.) that the military and local LE would start saying "HELL NO!" and there would be a serious backlash.

All of the polls indicate a strong "right leaning" military for sure. I can't see our guys doing mass political killings and such without an outright rebellion first, but maybe I'm naive and just a product of the Red Dawn generation.

[hollohas]

And the light has shone........

I think this is by design, an easy way to suspend the Constitution and impose martial law.
The King has planned his subjects.
But the King underestimates his subjects.

Gonna get worse before it gets better.

^ This. It's by design.

Also, given the administrations tendency to use the media to it's advantage, if the bans pass as proposed, I expect the first thing we'll see are event's similar to Waco and Ruby Ridge played out on TV. They will single out some group and use them to make the case that people who refuse to follow the new laws are wacko militants. They won't go after every gun owner, but they will find one or two extreme cases to make examples of.

Again, IF the bans are passed, they will use a PR and media campaign to add a little more "incentive" for people to voluntarily comply. That would sway the minds of a good chunk of gun owners who were on the fence so to speak.

I have no doubt a ban of some sort will pass, unfortunately they have strong support from all sides. And it WILL NOT have a sunset clause...they made that mistake already. There really is no good outcome.

-People comply = Constitution dead.
-People don't comply peacefully = Good people become criminals. People loose their savings in court. People go to jail after stopping a home invasion with an un-registered 15 round pistol.
-People don't comply and fight for their God given right = No problem for the Feds. They can use that to strengthen their anti-gun agenda. People who fight get portrayed as wacko militants by the media which will convince others not to fight the system.

Anyway you shake it, the anti's have stacked the deck. I suspect it will take decades to repeal a ban, if that happens at all.