Military and LEO's, help make this go viral!

[Mick-Boy]

-- why are you so certain current members would meekly go along if you wouldn't?

Not to speak for the man, but maybe he's a student of history. Off the top of my head

**MacArthur’s attack on the “Bonus Army” veterans in 1932. Infantry, horse cavalry and tanks were used, if I recall correctly.

**The Japanese internment during WW2. That was illegal and morally repugnant, yet where was the push-back from police and the military?

**The raid on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco Texas. Hugely illegal, yet how many military units were involved through Posse Comitatus work arounds?

**The raid on Ruby Ridge. Yet again, hugely illegal. It all shook out in court years later, but that’s a tough consolation to Randy Weaver...

**New Orleans, in the aftermath of hurricane Katrina. Think local cops and the military are too concerned with civil rights to go door to door and confiscate firearms? …Think again.

As long as they (the authority issuing the instructions) can marginalize the targets, they will have no problem finding people to follow confiscation orders.

[Mick-Boy]

Following unlawful/unconstitutional orders is a terrible excuse. Every soldier, sailor, marine, airman, LEO, etc. has a DUTY to disobey unlawful orders. To violate the people's right to bear arms is, I think, about one of the most clear cut examples of an unlawful/unconstitutional order. By doing so could mean a lot more than just "not getting a paycheck." Last time I checked treason carries a much harsher sentence than simple imprisonment.

How many of these folks were charged with treason Ronin?

[Dave]

If some of these politicians want to confiscate guns then they should go door to door themselves instead of putting LEO's and Guardsmen (more likely to be used than active duty) in positions where they are likely to knock on a door and end up staring at the wrong end of a 12 gauge barrel.

[Mick-Boy]

The fact of the matter is that a lot of the "brass" in the military doesn't like guns.. and they certainly don't like guns in the hands of someone they can't directly control.

I have to carry USGOV document that tells people to fuck off when I travel around Afghanistan because I constantly get challenge about my weapons (and the fact that they are *GASP* loaded). Look at Gen McChrystal's statements about assault weapons. Look at the CG (Jacoby) of the Alaska National Guard telling his people that they weren't allowed to have a carry permit for off duty carry. Seriously just look at the firearms rules on a US military installation and tell me that the people running the show are pro-gun..

I won't get into LEOs because that's not my lane but the statements and stances of their organizations (FOP and the IAPC for instance) doesn't put a smile on my face...

[Ronin13]

cops have been confiscating firearms for years, cops have been enforcing unconstitutional laws for years. wake up ronin. it has never stopped any of them.

How many of these folks were charged with treason Ronin?

I was speaking in theory that's how it works... not how it is in actuality. If people would wake up and smell the blatant violation, then yes, they would be justified in disobeying unlawful orders when given...

[lead_magnet]

cops have been confiscating firearms for years, cops have been enforcing unconstitutional laws for years. wake up ronin. it has never stopped any of them.

I've never confiscated any firearms from anyone who wasn't a felon, or using them in the commission of a crime. Tell me again how I'm a British agent, still in my red coat as I sneak into your life and steal your guns.. I've read the constitution, and I love it more than my own life. Go grab a skateboard and buy some more stickers about how I oppress you.
- the EVIL tyrant cop

[HBARleatherneck]

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[lead_magnet]

All of that ^ being said. I agree with the OP. We need to spread this message, those those teetering on the fence are too dumb (I assure) you to be persuaded by a cool video. We are the evil gun loving folk, and you won't change their minds. What I've stated before stands, everyone in my department has agreed that should confiscation become a law, we are all looking for new jobs, plus a few other things, that I cannot mention on a public forum.

[lead_magnet]

ok, dont be a dumbass. i didnt say you. i didnt say every cop. but wake up, cops have been enforcing unconstitutional gun laws in several state, confiscating guns during katrina, etc.

you apologists dont want to face the fact that it happens and it will happen. i am happy that a cop in the middle of nowhere is on our side. i am happy that You are a good person, and You intend to quit your job before doing anything unconstitutional. that doesnt change the fact that many others will fill your space and keep on marching on. especially if the only jobs and food available were those jobs.

I see your point here. (MODS: please don't kill this thread, it's going somewhere good, don't puss out) The reasons why my puny little voice from out in the middle of nowhere counts for something is this. EVERY, and that means EVERY C.S.P. patrolman woman that I've spoken to has my same views. All of the CSPD officers I know feel the same way. All of the firearms instructors in my academy lectured us for 30 min specifically on this topic. There was a "come to Jesus" (inside joke there) speech about how your opinion (the cop) doesn't matter, as you are a public servant, so only the public's opinion matters.

There are many, many more of us "good guys" wearing a cop's uniform than you think brother, don't worry about the cops, very few of us are goody two-shoes. In fact, I don't know one who is. The people you should be worrying about are the DHS guys and the nasty girls.

I can't go into more on here, but trust me, there is much more planned, than "handing in our badges"

[sellersm]

One question that no one's addressing is this: why do we think it's the LEO/.mil that will be doing anything on behalf of the gubment 'take over' orders? History shows us that it's often relegated to the place of (gasp) the criminal population? Anyone a student of Nazi Germany? Who did they use as guards? How was that organization run and why was it successful? Study a little and you'll see that they employed the prison population, ran it as a 'successful' business and it worked out quite well! They (.gov) didn't need to use the SS or LE or anyone else to do the 'dirty work'...

I know this is slightly OT for this post, but when folks are discussing this 'issue', no one seems to remember history (well, except for Mick-Boy with some excellent points and a few others)... Guess who has the biggest prison population on the planet? Just a thought.