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[HBARleatherneck]

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[Teufelhund]

One question that no one's addressing is this: why do we think it's the LEO/.mil that will be doing anything on behalf of the gubment 'take over' orders? History shows us that it's often relegated to the place of (gasp) the criminal population? Anyone a student of Nazi Germany? Who did they use as guards? How was that organization run and why was it successful? Study a little and you'll see that they employed the prison population, ran it as a 'successful' business and it worked out quite well! They (.gov) didn't need to use the SS or LE or anyone else to do the 'dirty work'...

I know this is slightly OT for this post, but when folks are discussing this 'issue', no one seems to remember history (well, except for Mick-Boy with some excellent points and a few others)... Guess who has the biggest prison population on the planet? Just a thought.

Send drug addicts and thugs to my house? Oh man, I really hope that's their tactic. Please don't throw me in that briar patch.

[Danimal]

i hope you are right.

But, its easy to talk big. Its harder to stand on principle when you and your children are hungry.

I really hope you are right.

This is true, that is why the rest of us in positions where we could provide jobs and other work by those who would be making this choice need to voice our support. Let them know that we stand behind them and there will be a job waiting for them should it come to that. Support them so that they may do the right thing in confidence.

[muddywings]

I've been in/out of reading this thread all morning and from my perspective (form mil and a short stint as LEO [EPSO]) I think there are a lot of factors that will play out but the most unmentioned one I'll hit at the end.

I think the confiscation issue will be pretty localized. We'll see Chicago, Detroit, CA, NY try to pull something extreme. I am a bit worried about our lopsided CO gov so that could be an interesting toss up. I think down here in El Paso, we could see an interesting struggle between County and City.

In the end, I think a lot of local LEO will do a wait and see who goes first and in general it will be legal chaos. We've already established, via 64, that we can give the middle finger to federal statutes but I don't think this GOV will roll over on 'assault weapons' like they did on pot. During this wait and see, if there was a AWB, hopefully we'll see a slaughtering at the polls come 2016 and we could see the D side of the senate go R with as many vulnerable spots they have (vs. R). If something does pass I could see a repeat of 94-96 and whatever passes would hopefully get repealed.

I really don't see MIL and LEO doing door by door no-knock searches. The Dems are perfectly happy allowing the "no transfer" portion of their supposed bill to allow attrition to remove weapons from everybody (except criminals). So what I am more worried about are the local DAs. Have you ever seen Chris Rock's "how not to talk to the police." You know the one I'm going to talk about.... crazy spouse yelling, "He's got weed, he's got weed." Pissed off girlfriends, spouses, business partners reporting people out of a grudge (reference recent issue with New Jersey cop). It's one thing to have your AR sitting in your safe not harming a soul but when the LEO gets a report of unlicensed AR-15 in someone's house, are they going to turn a blind eye and ignore the report? If not, will the DA prosecute?

For being in LEO for a short time, I really can't say on how all that would play out but that is where I can see confiscation coming from: "concerned citizens." Would the DAs ignore people reporting the 'crime?'

[Clint45]

A paycheck, food in the fridge, and a roof over the family are convincing motivators to do as told.

Federal prison, loss of pension, felony convictions, and dishonorable discharge will motivate lots of people to "just take orders." After all, everyone knows cops and soldiers are the "good guys." Most cops and soldiers are drowning in debt and living from paycheck to paycheck. They won't risk losing their job and status. Disobey an order = lose right to own a gun.